ITT: americans circlejerking and thinking europe is a country and that the gypsy situation in for example portugal is the same as in bulgaria
As a European, this is very true. Anti-romani sentiment is very widespread and often overlooked when talking about xenophobia.
Idk, it more or less disappeared around here once they started allowing their children to go to school and get jobs once they grow up.
Turns out people care more about crime than skin color most of the time. I literally couldn't tell you if there are any Romani living near me anymore because nobody has placed a curse on me after demanding money for a fortune telling I didn't ask for and I haven't heard of massive theft sprees in over a decade.
Integration is usually a two-way street. They wouldn't have cooperated if the local authorities wouldn't have done their best to earn their trust, considering all the shit that kept happening in some countries until the 90s and early 00s. So whatever your country is, they probably had some better ideas than e.g. Slovakia .
This is gonna cause some grump.
Both the EU and America have a race problem but I dunno from my perspective racism in Europe is so much more common and unchallenged. I think a lot of people have an inflated view of American racism cause they talk so often about it. I also don't think the racism is the same, a lot of Europeans seem more racist about cultural differences than just skin color where Americans seem more skin deep racists.
I dunno just my opinion though.
I also think these parts of the world are the most culturally diverse so they talk about it but other parts of the world are SOOOO much more racist it isn't even a comparison.
You're not wrong. Americans have an obsession with skin colour and thinks that is what divides humanity. I remember a screenshot post of a black user asking, and to paraphrase: "remove poc's what how would white people divide themselves?" The user is likely someone from North America and had never gone to Europe, or know its history, to see how divided Europeans are, even before the large immigration from outside the continent.
Europe when muslim immigrants
I'm American, but my grandma was a 1st generation immigrant. She always threatened to "sell [me] to the gypsies" if I didn't behave. I didn't have any idea what a "gypsy" was! There was no context for a 4 year old in the States. Hell, I didn't even know it was a slur until I was in my twenties. That was pretty gross, Gram. Boomers gonna Boom, though, I guess.
I was 30 years old before I learned that word's a slur
Same for me, but Germany. I thought, "Zigeuner" (Gypsy) meant that someone had no address because they would live in trailers and would move from place to place. Which sounded very cool and I wished, I could do that, too.
I did not understand, however, why one should not trust them.
Turns out, it's just racism.
I encountered Romani a few times when I was living in Germany. It was not a positive impression. But even then I was well aware of how being historically marginalized breeds poverty and crime.
It's not necessarily a slur, depending on who you are using it to refer to. There are some communities who refer to themselves that way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy,_Roma_and_Traveller
I remember my grandfather in the 90s warning me not to go to close to the "wagon" (a trailer) of "the gypsies" because they "steal children". I actually wound up over there when I adventured out alone from the camping place. The woman was cutting her husband's hair and it was the first time I had seen a man with pretty, long, shiny black hair, I was fascinated. They were friendly but "talked weird" (they had an accent). I never understood the hate... because obviously, they didn't steal me away... but my grandfathers generation left that narrative behind for my parents and my generation to pick up and continue. I whish it could have died with him.
Every reddit euro sub in a nutshell
Some screenshots of (auto-translated) Reddit comments from r/Slovakia. I don't know if usernames and profile pictures would count as doxing, so I removed them.
Holy shit. Positive karma and everything.
Must be nice to be Slovakian, I got banned from Reddit for hating on Joe Biden. I thought he was senile.
Meanwhile, he was senile
But so is Trump, but the media was afraid to call that out, since they didn't want to lose interview opportunities with him.
But imagine the potential in "Dementia Don" and caricatures of him asking ChatGPT to generate him a clock during a dementia test.
Yes. But I didn't get banned for saying Trump is deranged, that is allowed. However, only one opinion was approved by Reddit mods. Because they're stupid.
I can't speak to Europe, but contrasting the milquetoast euphemism "American racial tensions" against a picture of Hitler seems to be going really easy on the United States.
America has always had racism baked in at the state level (read on the appeasement of slave states, massive fundamental mistake). In modern day this manifests in strong internalized and institutional racism that affects everyone, hence why there's so much discussion about it.
However, I think the USA is one of the better countries in terms of interpersonal racism. The diversity of the US means that nearly everyone interacts with multiple races/cultures on a daily basis. The country is steadily becoming more diverse (the USA will be flipped to a minority-majority by 2045) so there's just no practical way to avoid it.
Contrast this with most other countries who don't necessarily have foundational racism but have had a homogeneous identity nearly forever. For some, broad discussion on diversity and demographics is completely novel in the last few decades; there's a hypersensitivity at the individual level that hasn't adapted yet.
Anecdotally, I've seen some of the most shocking unacknowledged prejudice outside of the US (some EU and strongly in Asia). Like "This waiter is too brown" and "[Turks, Romani, Indians] aren't real people" said in total earnest. I'm sure I could hear similar things in obscure parts of Northern Idaho, but I didn't expect it in major cities in developed countries.
Curiously, the Romani came up when Congress was discussing the scope of the 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution of the United States. The argument was if birthright citizenship was universal, we'd have to give it to them.
At the time, sounder minds prevailed.
Nobody likes migratory cultures. But it also appears nobody likes cultures too different from their own. And once we start cutting out ones we think are too alien, we rapidly move towards cutting into those who worship on the wrong day.
If you want a culture to stop migrating, maybe facilitate their access to homes? I've yet to encounter a culture that doesn't like comfort and convenience.
Lol, remember french history between catholic and protestants ?
As an American of non-European descent living in the Netherlands, I'm amused at the blank stares I receive when I ask people about where they think the xenophobic, self-serving, and bigoted attitudes that pervade "White America" came from.
European countries aren't all the same
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