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A guy tests vibe-coded Adobe app clones and they just work (www.youtube.com)
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[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 14 points 6 days ago

Reposting my relevant comment from yesterday on the Opensource board:

My opinion: this is pointless

LLMs are stochastic regurgitators, but software can already be copy/pasted without cost.

Why should we be interested in an LLM clone of photoshop when there are already clones of photoshop (e.g. https://photopea.com/)?

If I want to use photoshop (or something like it), then I’ll use photoshop (or something like it: i.e. photopea).

There’s literally no point in favour of using the LLM copy, it’s going to have less support and less security (since its training data will have also included prompt injection attacks).

It’s just more of the same, but worse. Even for the sake of argument: if it wasn’t worse, it’d still be more of the same.

I’m not interested in more of the same, I’m interested in things made by people that push the boundaries of what’s possible: (e.g. graphite).

[-] Sina@beehaw.org 3 points 5 days ago

You do realize that Photopea is JS running in your browser right, aka it's slow.

Though I have to admit I'm way more interested in LR clones that are actually good clones.

[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 1 points 5 days ago

You do realize that Photopea is JS running in your browser right, aka it’s slow.

Yes I realise it's running in a browser.

No it's not slow.

It's running 5mb of web assembly, so unless running regular photoshop is using more than 50% of your CPU, you're not going to notice any slowdowns.

The only time you're going to notice a slow down is if the thing you're doing would already be annoying slow in photoshop (e.g. opening >500mb non-raw files, in which case it being slow in a browser wouldn't matter since you'd be better off processing the files outside of photoshop anyway).

[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why should I use software from anybody if I can just have an LLM generate what I want? I don't have to worry about licensing, software becoming paid, getting enshittified or getting abandoned. I can have my own walled garden of my own apps.

[-] ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

The assumption of "just generate it" is doing a lot of work. There's a lot of assumptions that an LLM produced program will have the same guarantees that a closed source program has. You don't know about licensing because most courts haven't decided on it yet. The enshittification would most likely happen on the LLM provider end. You also wouldn't get the benefit of other people's eyes on the software. You're getting none of the benefits of open source with the consequences of closed source.

[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We're still in the very early days an it's already starting. Give it 5 years and we'll see.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

No they don't they're buggy as shit

[-] the16bitgamer@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago

So the same experience as actual adobe software 🤣 /s

[-] doleo@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago

~300 open issues. i wonder if that would be more or less, if photoshop were on github.

[-] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

I'm looking at those issues... here a guy opened an issue and literally 15 minutes later there is PR with a feature he wanted

https://github.com/storytold/photocraft/issues/2034

[-] doleo@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

lol - now I really want to know how long that'd take at adobe

[-] UpAndAtThem@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Does forever work for you?

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

Fuck Adobe, obvs. But I wonder how this is going to affect small time devs, who are trying to carve out a living by working on a passion project.

Open source alternatives to paid apps will always exist, but require skill and effort to create. Some guy prompting AI to make a knockoff BetterTouchTool doesn’t sit quite right.

[-] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

There is a law in software engineering called "ninety-ninety rule"

The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of development time; the remaining 10% accounts for the other 90%.

which can be interpreted as "final touches are the most difficult".

I think it is also true for vibecoding. As seen in a video I've posted, although the app works, there are some small faults yet to be fixed. And as seen in commit history of PhotoCraft - the work isn't finished, it currently intensifies

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

For how many users will the free unfinished or unpolished software be enough? If developers income’s are ripped off by some cat interacting with Claude, then software development outside of the commercial space becomes available only to those who are willing to do so at the expense of their own time.

[-] August27th@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

Someone do Oracle database next so that company can be fully fucked once the AI debt bubble pops

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago

Oracle won't worry, it's a lawyer firm with a side hustle of computer software (I totally stole this from Ed Zitron)

[-] Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I can't imagine how many tokens this cost to make

Github here https://github.com/storytold

[-] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

This is proof that Adobe could make it work if they wanted to but choose not to.

[-] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

I mean: I'll probably get downvoted because we are on Lemmy and the title contains "vibecoding" in it, but holy s**t, are we just getting a viable Photoshop alternative for linux 🤣

[-] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago

Bruh, use photopea

If you have a browser, you have photoshop.

We don't need unsafe vibe coded clones, we have clones with actual development and support

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

The Gimp: am I a joke to you?

[-] yuri@pawb.social 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

the last photoshop i used and enjoyed was cs6, and photogimp does everything that did. i’m a big fan.

e:a word

[-] Steve@communick.news 15 points 1 week ago

Kinda. I've checked in on Gimp several times over the years. I know it's hard to hear, I'm sorry. You're not Photoshop.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Any actual complaints other than the fact that the UI isn't identical?

[-] ThisOne@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Agreed. Gimp is fine. Its takes a minute for me to figure out where the thing is I want to do. But after thats its easy.

I dont use it (or Photoshop) all that often though.

[-] Steve@communick.news 1 points 1 week ago

It's been a few years.
I can check it out again and make a list, if you'd like.

[-] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Also Krita, pretty good.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

A lot of artists I know use Clip Studio Paint, too.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago

in the category "viable photoshop alternative", yes

I like the tool, but anyone claiming that it's a true alternative, hasn't touched photoshop since 1996

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I'd say anyone claiming it isn't a viable alternative hasn't touched The Gimp since 1996

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago

Weird, because I do so multiple times a week

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

So why bother if it's not viable?

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago

Never said it's not viable

It's just not an alternative for Photoshop

For super simple stuff is fine, if a little bit cumbersome

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago

You literally said that fifty minutes ago.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago

If you read the full sentence, you'll see that I didn't

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[-] refalo@programming.dev -2 points 1 week ago

still can't change text after applying a filter in $current_year

[-] boomzilla@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Don't need to apply it. It has got stackable filters now. Individually editable and hideable. Works fine with text. So just confirms my theory that all the haters haven't touched it recently. Just like with Linux (they generally don't distinguish between distributions ofc), when people claim you need the console for everything while you mostly don't need it at all.

[-] Cypher@aussie.zone 2 points 6 days ago

Instead of it does it in .

Gimp will always be awful because it has never been developed with UX as the priority.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

They recently started to try improving on that front, so maybe one day?

[-] refalo@programming.dev 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I use it every few days and tried to do what I just described before posting about it, and was unable to do so. I don't consider that "not having touched it recently."

And even if it does do that now on some newer version my distro doesn't have, my thoughts are still the same as others in this thread like the bad UX and many other features photoshop has that gimp doesn't.

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

PhotoPea: If you hate yourself, you can even use me on a phone.

[-] CoffeeSoldier@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago

I'm not mean enough to call you a joke. I have a lot of respect for what you are and what you can do. But you're no Photoshop dear child.

I'd still rather pirate than use this vibecode though.

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