Ah yep, I see where this is going now after his post the other day. No thanks, I'll join another NZ community that isn't going to ignore bigotry in service of "free speech" 👋
this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2023
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I'm looking for "people from reddit", not "people who got banned from reddit". Where are you headed?
Not sure yet, still getting my head around the different server instances and who is ending up where.
I think I have similar opinions to you, but I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
Hope to see you around in the ‘verse anyway.
They are a mod because they applied. You did not.
Please feel free to apply for a mod position. We need all sorts of views on the team, and I've received very few applications. Be the change you want to see.
Communities are driven first by the people that join them, then who sticks around. In a setup like this, where anyone can drive by comment from any old instance, you're going to need to ban abusive people or the good users will leave. /r/newzealand had a solid set of rules and for the most part they were consistently applied.
https://god.dailydot.com/bartender-kicks-out-tweets someone linked the nazi bar story the other day, Twitter is fucked for me atm so I can't link the original. Either way, if you don't kick out the shitheads straight away then they become your userbase, and the kicking out has to come from the mods in Lemmy. Downvotes don't do anything here.
If you see shitheads, report them. I am working on a post to ask the community how different content should be treated, so keep an eye out for that.
~~I was a bit confused about this but have now discovered that the mod user is the same as the justgettingalong user (who must have forgot to switch alias in their comment in this thread).~~
~~Interesting that it appears you can have different identities tied to the same account across different instances.~~
Edit: My mistake, they are two separate accounts. I got confused as both accounts argued that there was nothing wrong with one nazi in the bar.
Very glad to hear it!
Hi all! I hope to serve this little community to the best of my abilities and help keep it an amazing place. At least once I figure out all the moderation tools.
Any chance you could state your views on "free speech" vs fostering civilised discourse?
Will you let bigoted, hateful, or nasty comments slide, if that means all views are being presented?
I'm not coming to this with any pre-formed opinions btw, I'm just wanting to see something stated clearly about how you intend to moderate, given the comments below :-)
Personally speaking, I'm not looking to hang out with people who got banned from other social media for spreading misinformation and hate. If this community is going to be a place where people like that are welcome, I will frankly feel unwelcome and would rather get out now.
I'm of the view that Reddit is currently hurtling itself towards becoming a far-right cesspool, and their recent changes will only exacerbate that. I'm trying to get away from that, I don't want to be part of another community that will do the same thing.
Absolutely!
I want to foster a community that values open, honest and civilised discussion. Civilised being the key word.
I do not want to see extreme views espoused here, on any axis of the political spectrum. "Treat others as they would like to be treated" is a slightly different wording of The Golden Rule that I like to live my life by, and that going to be my philosophy of moderation.
Disagreement is possible without resorting to personal attacks, and just because someone has a different point of view on a topic does not make them objectively wrong, or a bad person. Remember that anonymous user is a fully formed person with their own life, experiences, hopes, dreams and fears. They put their underwear on one leg at a time, just like you do.
I have no intention of allowing members of this community to spread misinformation or falsehoods.
I have no intention of allowing hate speech of any kind.
Ultimately, my ability to moderate relies on our users making use of the report function. I am only one person and I'm not always on here. So if you see something you don't like, please bring it to the attention of myself or Dave and we will deal with it in an impartial manner.
What are some examples of the extreme axis of the left spectrum that you and Dave are concerned about? The current sentiment really looks like the both-sides fallacy.
Personally, the extreme left to me is "tankies", Marxism-Leninism. Socialism through dictatorship/authoritarianism.
If you're wanting to talk about providing a Universal Income or free electric cars to everyone (sorry, couldn't think of a good example) - then this is not what I'd consider "extreme left". Though I understand that terms are used differently by different people, so I am now trying to avoid the term "extreme left".
Are the tankies actually left-wing? They're extremely heavy on the authoritarianism and militarism, along with indifference to suffering. A lot more in common with the right-wing, in terms of commenters - hell, most indications are that Russia drives a Lot of the right-wing discourse on social media.
Yes, within the left-right wing paradigm both extreme ends are considered to become increasingly authoritarian and intolerant in support of their ends. Tankies are communists who defend Stalin and Mao using military violence against their own citizens with the justification that their protest/unrest was endangering the whole communist empire which was in a very real way of course under intense pressure, fighting for its existence against the capitalist world.
This is often represented it a parliamentary style seating layout by the horse shoe shape with the far extremes actually becoming closer to each other at the bottom of the horse shoe. It may seem a bit strange but its a good example I guess of how the left-right paradigm as description of political ideology has limitations and is in the end just an abstract model not a true and complete picture.
I honestly don't know. Wikipedia describes Marxism as left-wing. It also describes left wing as being for social equality, and right wing as believing there is an inherent natural hierarchy to the world.
So the extreme right is believing one race is better than another (e.g. Nazism).
Maxism-Leninism to me is like saying everyone is equal under comunism, except the dictator or small group running things. So sort of a merge between full socialism and Nazism? I guess politics isn't as straightforward as being able to put everything on a left/right spectrum, and I don't pretend to be an expert. I've learnt more about tankies and nazis the last week than in my whole life to that point.
That sounds good to me in that case. Thanks for the response!
You're very welcome!