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[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 219 points 5 days ago

Jeremy Lewin oversaw the destruction of USAID. It’s not clear he had the legal authority to do so.

Ummm, no. It's already been determined in court...they did not have authority to shut down any of those projects. That's either for Congress to decide, or for Congress to appoint someone to decide. They did neither. Not only were they not consulted, at all...everything that DOGE cancelled was already approved by Congress and should not have been touched.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 110 points 5 days ago

I do really wish with all my heart that dems win, grow some balls and they let the courts throw the book at the culprits of this for the maximum sentence.

Then again, I might wish for a million dollars and a laser unicorn, which is more plausible.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago

I fully expect Trump to hand out pardons like it's candy at Halloween if the Democrats take either chamber. I say doxx the lot of them and let the mob do its job.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 38 points 5 days ago

There should be a rule where if a president gets impeached and convicted, all the pardons they issued should be voided.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 days ago

Sounds good in theory, but Trump could kill all of Chuck Grassley's great grand children on the Senate floor and the Republicans still wouldn't vote to convict him.

[-] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

Maybe it's time we ditch the whole concept of pardons.

[-] ElChinchilla@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Executive orders and pardons are the bastardization of checks and balances. Pardons do make some level of sense at least from the fluidity of law. But blanket pardons and whatever the fuck has been going on needs a level of oversight.

[-] Natanael@infosec.pub 8 points 5 days ago

14A3 disqualification. He already wasn't legally appointed so the second term pardons aren't legal anyway. But somebody needs to enforce the disqualification

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Are you saying that because he conspired seditiously to overthrow the United States government on J6, 2021, that he was constitutionally ineligible to run for office and should therefore not have been on the ballots in 2024?

Cause I can get behind that, but like, how do we even begin undoing the mess that it's caused?

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[-] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I don't give a single fuck about pardons. Let them rot. If we have to gather a mob and throw them into a literal pit to rot, all the better. If these shit stains think that a pardon will save them or that their money will, they be sorely mistaken. These cretins are directly responsible for millions of deaths. Nothing can save them at this point, in my eyes. Not even the guns of the military.

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[-] chahn.chris@piefed.social 21 points 5 days ago

The real battle starts after the mid terms when everyone needs to keep pressuring congress for accountability.

If the election changes congress to dem and people don’t stay mad and keep pushing nothing will actually change.

Protests, letters to congress, organizing, these all need to get more aggressive not less after the mid terms.

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[-] Triumph@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

For Federal crimes, DoJ has to lay charges, so good luck with that.

There's not a legal way out of this anymore.

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[-] cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago

We can clearly see that everyone in the DOGE group was criminally ignorant of everything related to that situation as well as being maliciously true believers in their quest, not caring if they were right or Right. There is however the distinct likelihood that someone higher up who, knowing the cause was false and the method was illegal, prescribed it anyway as a test of and attack on Congressional power of the purse and budget laws.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

They had their goosestepping orders.

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[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

I don't understand why people just threw up their hands and went "oh well I guess we are out of a job now"

If someone comes in that's you've never seen before tells you to shut down operations why would you listen to them? As evidenced by this article it could just be some random dude off the streets basically. Just take their word for it?

[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 21 points 5 days ago

They coopted some armed federal police goons to help, like those times the workers refused building access to DOGE interns and presidential advisors (as they should).

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[-] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

It was actually more about the funding, than anything else. While the money allocated for USAID programs is determined by Congress, the accounts that contain those funds are under the control of the State Department. The Trump administration basically told the State Department to put "stop payment" orders on all transactions relating to USAID programs that DOGE deemed uneccessary. After that, no one got paid...and if you can't pay your staff or the bills...your office has to close.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

And they stole and leaked data.

People need to serve time for this. Including Elon. I doubt that ever happens, but they absolutely should.

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[-] Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 75 points 5 days ago

That's because all of this was a treasonous coup. Everyone knew, it was published in a book with an online tracker and we watched everyone from billionaires with conflicts of interest in China to KGB grandkids copying OPM, Pentagon, and SSA data onto unknown servers.

This is after trump openly sold secrets and kushner's treason was reported and sat on by Tulsi

Now, the DOJ is trying to allow secrets to be sold on ebay and his paramilitary sabotage units are likely behind all of the catastrophes in swing states during midterms right now. No different than his apartment bombing buddy Pooty.

People don't realize that there isn't even a status quo anymore. America was murdered right in front of everyone and they're all going to pretend we are ok when trump is "removed" from office.

[-] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

After all the time and money that was spent guarding all of that data the US just gave it all away.

I never see anyone framing it for what it was: a cyber attack. After all the damned money spent on guarding all the stuff they got access to, all it took was them just coming and taking it. And I still only see unverified internet comments that they may have gotten into classified places. Was that what all the history of the Cold War and all the planning for large scale cyber events amounted to?

What was that about a KGB grandkid?

[-] Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The young DOGE agent known as "Big Balls" had a grandfather who was KGB

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-s-protege-big-balls-is-grandson-of-executed-kgb-agent-report-says-b2703739.html

Also: *Their theft of data is not unverified. NPR npr.org › 2026 › 01 › 23 › nx-s1-5684185 › doge-data-social-security-privacy How DOGE improperly accessed and shared Social Security data : NPR

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/litigation/2026/10/opm-unlawfully-let-doge-access-sensitive-federal-employee-data-judge-rules/

*Typo

[-] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 29 points 4 days ago

He is responsible for the deaths of a lot of innocent people who were dependent on that assistance.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Identify him and sue him, everyone who lost a job or had other losses.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Depraved-heart murder (also known as depraved indifference) is a legal mechanism that can be used when someone knowingly takes an action likely cause death. It allows the extreme disregard for the potential lethal consequences of their action or decision to be treated essentially as malice aforethought (essentially intent to harm), and they can be charged with second degree homicide.

Lock. Him. Up.

[-] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 60 points 5 days ago

Oh no! Illegal Immigrant Elon Musk oversaw the ILLEGAL Destruction of United States Government Agencies? Quick! Give him TRILLIONS in Tax Dollars!

-LITERALLY Republicans!

[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 18 points 5 days ago

And yet, there’s still fucknuts around here screaming that both sides are the same.

[-] JangleJack@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago

If some of these guys were on Elon's payroll, couldn't that make him personally liable for their mistakes and crimes?

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago

Of course not, the wealthy are never considered liable.

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[-] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

He wasn't there to be recorded. He was there to move fast and break things.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Reading The Blockers is infuriating AF.

Not sure what else history will say about these fucking morons. The book is way too short, and I'm sure there is a lot more to cover in something much longer than just over 200 pages.

Every time I see some galaxy-brained post or think-piece about how we need "generational change" I think we should reflect on how these assholes conducted themselves, and many of them were under 30.

Generational change, my red rosy.

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Generational strife is yet more distraction from class strife.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Yes, 100%. Narratives that generalize artificial notions of "generations" only really serves the interest of marketers and people looking to divide and conquer.

It gets even dumber when you learn that there is not much supporting evidence that shows that people get more conservative as they get older...

But yeah, a whole lot of ink being spilled about how we need to have the Democrats all turn on each other on not only lots of purity tests, but simply on the number of times they've been around the sun? And people constantly taking up not only the right wing mantra of "term limits", but also age limits? Get the fuck outta here with that noise...

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[-] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Don't judge the whole generation off the confederate dick riders. Instead I suggest directing your anger at the oligarchs who enabled them.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

The hench(wo)men are culpable too. Don't let them off the hook.

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[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago

Thousands of people died and continue to die as a result of terminated USAID funding.

America voted for this. America stood by while this happened.

Please world never forget this. You may forgive it, but never forget.

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[-] CalemitousVariantK@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

So, he impersonated a government employee and must now be prosecuted for the damages, including all the wrongful deaths. Nigeria, where many of the deaths would have occurred, should have their fair share of chances to prosecute him on their own. Spoilers: Probably the death penalty.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 19 points 5 days ago

Probably a drug addict as well. If this ever goes to court, Elon will happily throw them to the wood chipper saying he did not control their actions.

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[-] Gpennyhigh@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

And the magas cheer all the deaths and suffering caused by this cruelty. It's a sickness that can be cured by leaving the dark side. Come to the light of equality for all and healthy policies for us!

[-] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago

Then we hunt them down and kill them, simple as that.

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[-] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago

Hr didn't have him on file. Can anyone just show up and start shutting stuff down. Was he getting paid or was this just a love of the game thing.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I suggest reading The Blockers. What happened with these young punks with zero experience, no wisdom, no training, etc., is absolutely insane.

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[-] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

Rules are only as good as their enforcement.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 4 days ago

When the DOGE Pirates showed up in their first Federal lobby, demanding to be let in, they should have been turned away, and if they refused to go, they should have been gunned down in the lobby. If Federal Security had done their jobs on Day One, DOGE may well have ended right there.

Instead, they let them in, and the damage has been incalculable. Musk and his Pirates all need to be punished, and those who have taken lives, like those who destroyed USAID, should be executed.

Musk should definitely be marked for execution, and his entire fortune confiscated. The government officially Luigi-ing the top Sociopathic Oligarch would send a strong message to the rest of those shitheads. It will either take them down a peg or two, or they will fight back.

I hope they fight back.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Fascists always cause many, many innocents to needlessly die. It's kind of their thing.

If we don't bring this regime to justice this country is lost. I know it takes time. I know it takes effort. That's acceptable. But if we don't....there's no coming back.

[-] mHtt@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago

pst hey America, your freedom is showing...

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Forecasting models predicted that the current steep funding cuts could result in more than 14 051 750 (uncertainty interval 8 475 990–19 662 191) additional all-age deaths, including 4 537 157 (3 124 796–5 910 791) in children younger than age 5 years, by 2030.

Evaluating the impact of two decades of USAID interventions and projecting the effects of defunding on mortality up to 2030: a retrospective impact evaluation and forecasting analysis

The Bundibugyo strain of Ebola—for which there are no drugs or vaccines—continues to spread in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and Uganda and threaten neighboring countries in Central Africa. A month after the World Health Organization declared a public health emergency of international concern, many experts are tracing the outbreak’s magnitude in part to disinvestment in global health security, including through the July 2025 dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), which had led the U.S.’s humanitarian and development efforts abroad since the 1960s. The vast majority of staff and projects were terminated; those remaining were absorbed by the U.S. State Department.

Ebola’s spread fueled by cuts in humanitarian aid

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[-] Pratai@piefed.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Someone needs to put this piece of shit in the ground.

(I won’t be surprised if ends up removed, and therein lies the problem. We’re not even allowed to speak aloud our wishful thinking, yet Thea animals are allowed to kill as many of us as they’d like with fucking no one to stop them)

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Talking about killing a specific person: not allowed. Actually killing millions: a okay

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Anybody got an unpaywalled link?

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