It makes sense. A shift toward full integration can only come from within the UK. British economists are the ones who should explain that adopting the euro would be beneficial. Schengen is something the UK has to choose to discuss with Ireland and France.
The EU is truly enshittifying itself.
Oh hell no
Fuck no. Full EU or stay out.
This sounds kind of mildly dystopian to me, as an EU citizen. Back in the 1970's the EU could not have functioned without UK, and the exemptions were necessary. Now we can, and if we go out of our ways with being extra nice to them after they've endangered the future of EU, other member states will be inclined to do the same whenever some populist party gains enough foothold. Creating such a precedent would kill the EU.
Yeah, we'd be better off with UK than without, but if UK joins on terms that will endanger the whole future of EU, as suggested here, then it's still better without.
Either they should join on sane terms, which they will be ready for already in about two decades anyway, or they should not join. It's pointless risking everything by unnecessarily hurrying up with this.
I don't think it's this grim to be honest. I don't believe this precident will change much. It is painfully obvious at this point that EU brings benefits to it's members and this flipfloping doesn't achieve much. And if any country gets usurped by a group of people for whom it's not obvious, they're gonna shithead with or without UK precident.
However UK shouldn't get special privileges this time, but mainly so they're not doing this brexit-breturn shit every time they chose a new party.
No one learned anything.
If you're implying that Brits are all a bunch of Europe-hating backstabbers then I don't think that's true. I'm British and yes, some Brits don't like the EU. Mainly older Brits. But a lot of Brits do like the EU.
According to YouGov, a British polling company, a majority of Brits have wanted to rejoin the EU for at least the last two and a half years, perhaps longer. Of course that level of support could change depending on the terms of rejoining the EU, but still.
Personally I think it would be good if the UK and EU forge closer relations in the coming years, but I don't think rejoining the EU will be a realistic possibility for at least a few years, because eurosceptics in the UK continue to wield political power.
Then join with the same rules as everyone else. Why should the UK get special treatment? It only contributes to British inflated sense of self-importance and exceptionalism, and creates problems inside the EU because once you start creating exceptions everyone wants them.
Countries should either be in or out, there shouldn't be a special snowflake of a country that's allowed to be in and out all at once just because they used to be relevant 100 years ago.
I didn't ask at all for the UK to be treated as "a special snowflake". Obviously the EU can set whatever joining terms they want to set.
used to be relevant 100 years ago
I could say the same thing about various EU countries if I wanted to, but I don't want to, because I like EU countries and I hope for good UK-EU relations.
I think EU politicians these days are saying completely sensible things about the UK, but I get the sense from some people online (not all, thankfully) that they just don't like the UK. Personally I hope the UK and EU can both be positive and have a good relationship.
I'd be flexible on the Euro. And by flexible I mean "sure keep the £ for now, but you gotta commit to similar plans as the other non-€ having EU members" sort of thing. But only if thats the only deal breaker, like if they accept everything else, sure, let them keep the £ for a bit. But eventually it has to change.
As for Schengen, nah. That's one of the main things about the EU, if you don't want that, then stay out.
Ireland is not part of the schegen. "Islands are different".
You had your special deal, didn't like it, why would we offer it again
I am a Brit, writing this while on holiday in Portugal. Most of the year I live in Malaysia. No, I'm not rich, yes, I'm disappointed too. My penny's worth:
I agree with you. I'd love for the UK to rejoin the EU. But getting back together with humility means no preferential treatment. No exceptions
Well, that's the same terms under which Denmark is a member. I think it's acceptable.
However, Denmark participates in Schengen.
Theoretically, yes. However , since 2016 we've had 'temporary border controls' on the German and Swedish borders.
Edit: Utimately, the EU will be stronger with the UK back in. Militarily, economically, politically.
So let's not be assholes about it - they were manipulated to leave, in part by Russian agents using the Cambridge Analytica data scandal to run political ads without informed consent, and also in part by their national politicians blaming everything bad on the EU for 50 years.
I think we've all learned from it, and I'd be happy to see them back in the EU.
I fear their direction on personal privacy. They are running a strong line toward US/Russia style oversight of people's lives. Not to mention they have the most cctv in the world already, now they want to ban VPNs and push for IDs on all srvices.
And were Denmark to leave EU and rejoin Denmark would no longer have that sweet deal. And the British population - those still alive at least - knew that. But so many old people had just enough nationalism left in them that as a fuck-you before they left this plane of existence, they just had to screw everyone over.
I really feel bad for especially Scotland though, because I think a big enough % of them voted no to independence just 2 years prior to the Brexit referendum because it meant staying in the EU, that had they known of the result beforehand they'd have definitely voted for freedom from those clowns in the south.
Its a take.
You don't like your current arrangements with the EU so you're inclined to leave, and then reminded that if you ever join again we're going to make the arrangements even worse and will drive even more tension. It will definitely make the union stronger.
The tone coming out of the EU and UK is more more collaborative and sounds more adult than the Junker years.
Fuck Politico
I'd wait for statements rather than the word of two officials. It is the Commission, Parliament, and Council having a say on this. What a signal it would give to countries joining from the east too.
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