Comparing ai datacenter backlash to masking backlash during covid is insane.
If anything, being pro-mask is being anti-ai. Its just fucking logical.
Or, you know, the more likely approach is datacenters just make everyones lives worse in multiple unique ways. Maybe they dont want that if its a willing choice, unlike a pandemic.
The attempt to frame anti-ai sentiment as similar to anti-vax is a deliberate attempt to paint protesters as ‘emotional’, ‘illogical’ or just plain stupid. Fuck it, I don’t think it’s even worth arguing with people who say stuff like that.
Indeed, when refuting bad faith digs like this, you give them credibility in the eyes of the uniformed.
The trick is to counterattack on your own points, not answer their baseless talking points. I.e.:LM models are not AI, and never will be, they will never pay for these data centers, and our tax dollars will bail them out in exchange for bending us over for the government and their pals.
The comparison is also stupid because being "anti-mask", was literally a political symbol.
Also, people are not protesting data centers as a "political symbol". They are protesting them because it's a huge waste of energy and effort that provides mostly trash results that will never be efit most people in a meaningful way that is accelerating the already shitty climate problem.
Not to mention tech companies have spent a decade now obliterating trust in tech they spent the previous decades building. No fucking privacy, no choice to just use a product. It's all 10,000 ads or subscriptions that just go up and up and up for more features and improvements no one fucking needs or wants because everything has to "move fast." Then they just start forcibly hoovering up all the data, and even if you take a LOT of pain in the ass steps to avoid letting your data get sucked up they do it anyway by pulling your friends and relative's data about you and making it harder and harder to do anything with data protections in place line blockers and VPNs.
People are just tired of these shit fuck tech companies, in general.
Being anti mask was/is a Darwin award symbol
God I wish pro-mask had the support of anti-AI. COVID would have died out before it got out of control with 90% people taking it seriously.
Let’s just fix that headline to make it a bit more accurate:
AI backlash threatens make-believe trillion-dollar data centre boom before they have a chance to cash out, say tech leaders
Shut up booster.
Meanwhile, back in reality, it's AI's shitty unit economics doing this. A ton of laws have also been broken trying to build these data centers as fast as possible.
No no no, it's not "breaking the law" it's "being disruptive!"
/s
“The reason is not that people are Luddites . . . it’s much like the protests against the masks in Covid. It has become a political symbol,” ~ Vik Bajaj, co-chief executive of the Jeff Bezos-backed AI start-up Prometheus.
Fuck off Vik, take bezos with you.
Yeah you got to love it. Says that people aren't luddites then proceeds to describe how they are complete luddites in his eyes.
These fuck weeds have absolutely no fucking clue why people hate AI.
Yeah fuck this guy for comparing us to antimaskers. We have actual REASONS why AI is bad. People who were antimask were just fucking stupid.
Their comments aren't self-awareness or introspection. Its just a knee jerk reaction to things not going in their favor.
it’s much like the protests against the masks in Covid
'ai' is not the masks in this scenario, it is the fucking virus.
Trillion dollars of their money. Not ours. We never wanted this shit. They wanted this shit in order to surveil us and make billions more.
~~Data center boom~~ Data center bubble
I read the whole thing, and all I got was "oh shit, we might be fucked because of the non-billionaires, let's start making them believe we care about them“.
Too late.
Oh my god, not the data centers!
... Then maybe goy shouldn't have invested trillions in that
Also, fuck you. You made me jobless, I have no empathy for any of you
BURN IT DOWN BURN IT DOWN
Yes. Yes it does.
They realized the people still have the ultimate power and they can't just pretend that we don't exist
They realized the people still have the ultimate power
Wait, you have identified the problem here... Democracy. Companies just need to do steps to remove that barrier. /s
Oh, they are trying.
Good.
the boom was artiicial in the first place. we just didn't buy it
GOOD.
Boo fucking hoo.
GET. FUCKED.
Threatening the data center boom is the whole point of the backlash.
Think of all that sweet sweet pennies on the dollar ram/GPU/sad/hdd that can flood the 2nd hand market
They'll at least make something back
The problem with that is that a big chunk of that hardware is in formats that are no good for home use.
No good for home use 'yet'
You must have a way bigger home than me. No way am I going to be listening to that jet engine sounding hardware in my house.
Time to deflate this imaginary bubble.
We'll know the bubble is over when we can get $3/GB DRAM again. Until then we're still under it.
Oh man. Currently rocking an AMD AM4-socket CPU with 64 GB of DDR4 - I did have 32GB but when one of my sticks failed, it was actually cheaper to upgrade to 64 than it was to replace an 8.
Haven't upgraded anything in my desktop in over 5 years. An entry-level AM5 setup would cost about three times as much as my entire computer did, and would be a much less powerful machine. Completely stupid. Just hoping all my components keep holding up until the whole bubble explodes.
am i completely crazy or does the data center obsession only make sense if these companies are operating under the assumption that they'll be used for cyberwarfare?
like the economics fully do not make sense unless you assume you'll have a blank check for maximum utilization in the near future and the only money faucet big enough to meet that demand is in the defense budget. it explains the outright hostility to residents, the secrecy, and the maximalism of it all. but it doesn't seem to be part of the conversation. why?
I can see two potential explanations:
Hubris on the part of the tech giants. We already know they’re hubristic, it’s possible that they thought they could actually make it intelligent. (This seems even more likely when you understand the “spiritual” beliefs of the people building the datacenters. The “T” in TESCREAL tells us a lot about how these dumbasses think).
Surveillance apparatus of the state. Would the state want to do this? Yes, 100%. Can the state afford to use and maintain this? Absolutely not.
So, I’m personally leaning towards Option 1 with a small side of option 2
The silicon valley mentality involves selling a product before it's useful and sometimes even before it exists. They believe that it will become profitable they just don't know how yet. But if it turns out not to be that profitable then they will try to pass the buck on to the public one way or another.
Ah yes, the old "the rubes aren't really against AI, they're just ignorant!" We don't actually have to change anything about what we're doing or stop doing it, we just need to hire the right PR firm so what we're doing seems "thoughtful."
Yeah, AI backlash threatens us with a good time!
Cool. Tell the tech leaders that I say “suck my dick”
Tbh it should threaten more than just data centers iykwim.
Ahem....
We do!
Only boom I understand is 💥
Threaten data center boom? I think the title means threaten me with a good time.
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