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submitted 6 hours ago by Heikki@sopuli.xyz to c/europe@feddit.org

20 famous European road trips, each coloured by whether a car towing a caravan may drive it: 10 the whole road, 7 with a bypass, 3 not at all (Stelvio, the Amalfi coast road, the Lake District's Hardknott/Wrynose loop).

A few things that surprised me while reading the rules:

  • Amalfi coast road (SS163): campers and caravans are banned 06:30–24:00, while motorbikes are exempt from the odd/even number-plate days cars get in summer.
  • Grossglockner: a motorcycle's day ticket is €36.50 against €46.50 for a car — and a car with a caravan pays the car rate.
  • Geiranger–Hellesylt ferry: about €76 for a car with its driver, €187 for a car + caravan (10–14 m), €61 for a motorbike.

Rules read on 5 Nov from the road authorities and operators (where only a secondary source says it, the page says so). Each road is priced for car, car + caravan, motorhome and motorcycle: https://copilot.travel/maps/famous-road-trips Corrections welcome.

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[-] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 hours ago

A car towing a caravan should not go on alpine passes. Or at least if it does it should take care in letting people pass. Too many times I am stuck behind such individuals from britain or netherlands which have never seen a mountain and the road is too narrow to pass.

You decided to climb this mountain for pleasure with this thing, I did not and this is the only road for me to reach my family, move outta my way.

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

You have a good point, and I have been on the other side of it too. The map only shows what's legally allowed "yes" doesnt mean it is a good idea, and on the narrow passes its often better to leave the caravan in the valley and do the pass as a day trip.

If you do tow over one, the decent thing is to pull into the next lay by whenever a queue builds behind you. Locals on their way to work or family didnt choose to be part of someone's holiday that understandable. I will add that to the caravan notes for the mountain routes!

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 0 points 5 hours ago

If you do tow over one, the decent thing is to pull into the next lay by whenever a queue builds behind you.

In some places, this is legally required.

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

True, like Germany has it in the traffic code: StVO §5(6) says the driver of a slower vehicle must slow down at a suitable place, and wait if necessary, when that's the only way several vehicles right behind can overtake.

In the UK it's in the Highway Code (rule 169: "Do not hold up a long queue of traffic… pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass"), though there it's guidance rather than law. Thanks I will put the German rule on the German Alpine Road's caravan row.

[-] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 5 hours ago

The North Coast 500 (the one in Scotland) is due to a pass called the Bealach na Bà. There's a big sign warning about the danger of taking large vehicles along it, but it's not strictly banned or impossible, and as such people absolutely do take caravans on it. They really shouldn't, but they do

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

Yes thats why its amber ("with a bypass") rather than red on the map.

The sign at the Tornapress end says the road isnt advised for learner drivers, very large vehicles or caravans after the first mile, and the official NC500 site tells anything bigger than a VW T5-size camper to take the low road via Shieldaig instead (same for the B869 Drumbeg road). Not banned, just a bad idea and the low road is lovely too.

[-] tales_origin@feddit.org 2 points 6 hours ago

Where did you get these prices and basically the whole data from? Seems like AI just queried a few websites and put it together or did you manually check it?

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago

Fair question!

Every fare and rule comes from the road authority's or operator's own page,each row on the page links to its source. I used tools to collect and compare them, and I re-checked the three figures in this post against the sources today: Grossglockner's €46.50 / €36.50 is on grossglockner.at, and the Geiranger–Hellesylt fares are Fjord1's 2026 price list (NOK 810 car, NOK 2,000 for 10–14 m, NOK 650 motorcycle, converted to euros).

Fuel is calculated, not looked up: the EU's weekly pump prices for each country on the route times a typical consumption. If you spot anything off, tell me and I'll fix it, database is on the copilot.travel site that holds quite a lot of information.

[-] tales_origin@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Sounds good, I have a website that could need such data, but I have strict requirements for availability, costs and privacy. So best would be to self host or have a open api, do you offer something like that or is your code open source?

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

Thanks! There's no public API at the moment and the code isn't open source, but most of the data is open: each map page has a CSV download under CC BY 4.0 (free to use, self-host and change, with a credit to copilot.travel) winter tyres, low-emission zones, compulsory equipment, caravan speed limits, licence rules, gas bottles on ferries and more, with every rows source.

A CSV for these famous roads is coming in the next few days. Everything is listed at https://copilot.travel/press. If you need something specific, fields, countries, how often it is updated, tell me at a private message what you have on your mind, and lets see what we can do!

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 points 5 hours ago

What is this, a road trip for ants?

(Just joking. But from an American perspective, most of these are very short road trips. And some of the shorter ones wouldn't really be considered a 'road trip' at all. Barely longer than a commute.)

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 hours ago

Hehe, I think your right, from the page you can choose where to start your own trip and these "Road Trips" are the one highlight of the trip, the short ones are "a day for 50 km" roads - Stelvio is 46 km with 48 hairpins on one side, Grossglockner 48 km and you'll still stop every few bends.

Most Europeans string them into a longer trip: the Route des Grandes Alpes is ~700 km (435 mi) over 17 passes, the North Coast 500 is 516 miles, the Wild Atlantic Way 2,500 km (1,550 mi), and Iceland's Ring Road 1,322 km. And getting there is half of it: from Amsterdam to Stelvio is already ~900 km (560 mi) before the first hairpin.

[-] Zombie@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

Until you get onto the road.

American roads are generally modern, built exclusively for cars and are therefore straight and wide. Often carving their way through the landscape. Long distances can be covered in short periods of time.

European roads are often old, built where horse tracks would have been previously. Some roads aren't much wider than a horse track either. They tend to wind and weave their way around landscapes instead of through.

70 miles may be a 1h drive for most Americans, to Europeans that distance could take twice as long.

Here's an example of an A road in northern Scotland which is part of the NC500 route. An A road is deemed one step down from a motorway (or highway in America). Notice the coach in the distance. You don't want to meet that coach on a corner while going at speed.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/D85dqddYvT9g2S1r6

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago

Well put and thats the trap with planning these from a map.

The NC500 is 516 miles, but on the single-track west coast you're doing 20–30 mph between passing places, so "a day" on Google becomes three or four.

Thats also why I list days rather than hours for these roads. And yes, meeting that coach on a blind bend is a rite of passage, reverse to the last passing place and wave. Altought like in Germany theres autobahns with no speed limit and I can drive in night time 100mph for long distances

[-] KatherinaReichelt@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Amalfi coast road (SS163): campers and caravans are banned 06:30–24:00, while motorbikes are exempt from the odd/even number-plate days cars get in summer

That is actually a good way of reducing tourist congestion of such places.

[-] Heikki@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

Agreed, and it seems to be spreading. In the Picos de Europa the road up to the Covadonga lakes is closed to private cars on set dates (most of June to mid-October) and a shuttle bus takes you up instead, and South Tyrol has been testing access limits on the Passo Gardena with possible measures from summer 2027.

The Amalfi rule is a bit odd in one way though: the plate days apply only 10:00–18:00, so the early birds still get the road to themselves.

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