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[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago

I need to know your assigned gender at birth

Why, are you trying to fuck me?

[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago

why would they need to know for that tho?

more like, "do u wanna categorize me back into a binary gender and misgender me in your head, cause u can't handle someone being nonbinary?"

[-] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Well you I would like to now how much lube to take with me

[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

then just ask that?

or if u wanna know their genitals, ask that

someones agab does not tell u how much lube u need

altho if you try asking about their agab u might find out that u won't need any lube cause they won't wanna have sex with u

[-] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

I mean I will definitely ask that because in BDSM you want to know a lot about your partner, especially medical records and problems. Even the biological sex and if they are or have taken hrt is very important because it changes muscle strength and "placement" which in turn changes how you can safely spank someone. Discovery in bdsm involves spreadsheets for me. When someone is against that I will not play with them.

[-] Baggie@lemmy.zip 41 points 4 days ago

Yeah I didn't get enough sleep because my brain kept seeing All genders are bastards

[-] decended_being@midwest.social 18 points 4 days ago

Assigned Gay At Birth

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

Confused ally here:

Why isn't it Assigned Sex At Birth?

I was an ally before it was cool (before the DNC decided gay marriage should even be legal), and I've always felt the teaching I received among queer circles was true: "Sex is between the legs. Gender is between the ears."

Very recently, people have started referring to "male" and "female" as "gender." Why?

It introduces further questions, like was I "assigned" my height, weight, and birthday at birth?

[-] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 29 points 4 days ago

Yeah, from working in a medical field - your sex can have a huge effect on the way your body interacts with certain medicines/drugs - and as such I find the trend of conflating Gender and Sex to be rather dangerous.

And it's not just people that started doing it either. I've worked on multiple studies where data entry points have asked for Gender when they very much meant Sex. Again dangerous, because the answer to both is only the same for cis identifying people - and you really don't want to get that wrong.

What you do with your Gender is nobody's business but your own. Express yourself however you please - but if a medical professional is asking your assigned sex at birth, consider they may be doing so to keep you safe.

(For the record I'm not stating either as a binary, I'm aware intersex people exist, and do believe more should be done to accommodate them in medical settings which mostly currently act like they don't exist)

Edit: Somehow the end of my second to last paragraph got replaced by a fullstop. Weird stuff

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have some antitrust issues with Epic (the EMR) but they have a literal checklist option where you literally just check which organs the pt had at birth then can specify whether or not they still have them. Super simple, cuts straight to the medically relevant info, and covers all areas from binary cis to cancer to intersex to pre, mid, and post transition. Best way I've ever seen it done. Epic is one of those things that's dominating the market by just being on a different level from everybody else but I gotta admit I'm a little worried about how much influence they have when they finally (as all large corpos do) go full supervillan.

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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

I think the key is in the word "assigned". They don't grab a penis from the penis bin and assign it to you, they assign a gender to you. They determine the sex, and assign the gender.

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[-] Broadfern@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

Assigned sex at birth also includes a lot of how a person is socialized (not just from family but society at large) during their formative years. So it is, in a sense, assigning a person a gender as well.

Also gender and sex are frequently conflated in the English language by most people who choose not to think more critically or ask questions on these topics.

[-] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

They're frequently conflated because they were synonyms until quite recently (more recently outside of academic sociology circles) and so quite a lot of people still treat them as synonyms.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I would agree that people are generally assigned "sex" and "gender" at birth, I just don't understand why it seems they're conflated among queer spaces when discussing "Assigned Male At Birth"+"Assigned Gender At Birth" when I feel like it should be:

"Assigned Gender At Birth"→"Assigned Boy At Birth" and/or "Assigned Sex At Birth"→"Assigned Male At Birth."

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

My understanding is that sex and gender aren't as clear cut as people used to think so a growing number of people use sex and gender interchangeably by referring to it as "sex/gender" or "gender" as a catch all term. Think about it that way: Sex is physical, like organs, hormones, height, muscle mass, ... and gender is social like behavior, norms, expectations. So telling boys to eat up to they get tall and strong and letting them do a lot of sports while telling girls not to get fat and simultaneously to do more creative stuff that isn't too active is gender. But when boys in fact grow tall and muscular, that's testosterone and therefore sex and has nothing to do with gender.

The argument is that gender and sex are too multifaceted and too intertwined to meaningful separate them. That's at least one take away a had from reading "Who's Afraid Of Gender" by Judith Butler. It's not too long and an easy read. Highly recommend.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The lion's share of your comment is essentially the long form of the mantra I stated I believed in, but I appreciate you explaining it for people who don't know.

To the last paragraph, that's probably the root of the confusion here; maybe one day we'll have a term for that intersection - something more concise than "sex/gender." Or is that what we're taking part in here? Using "gender" to cover both? A bit confusing to me, but maybe not so much to future generations.

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[-] Quokka@quokk.au 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In Australia a lot of healthcare and places are now starting to use ASAB to get around respecting your gender. I absolutely loathe ASAB, because it’s even more bioessentialist than AGAB.

I much prefer the organ inventory approach, which also helps cis people too, e.x. hysterectemies.

[-] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Organ Inventory > Sex at Birth > Gender, in a medical context.

Ideally you have all three because all are medically relevant (self-explanatory, chromosomes, and hormones, in that order - all medically relevant), but good luck passing legislation to put all three on an ID, not to mention the dangers (in many places of the world) of having "Hello I am sex or gender non-conforming" on your ID everywhere you go.

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[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

they assing one a gender at birth based on ones anatomy.

they assign a sex at birth based on the anatomy.

both are social constructs and i believe among the two gender is the more accepted one by progressives, as it is the one that people actually positively associate with and which we all agree we can pick for ourselves. yes, a gender assigned at birth is something we were forced into but we can change it.

sex on the other hand is more commonly used as a weapon against us. ofc ones anatomy is seperate from ones gender (altho it can be part of it), but sex is anatomy gendered. but unlike gender, the person whose anatomy it is, does not get to decide their sex. at the end of the day it's gender forced onto people from outside in a way they can't change (or only by changing their bodies). it's violent.

now we could try to work towards degendering sex, but i believe this is incredibly hard since words such as male and female are used interchangably with man and woman, and well for example most male sexed people are also men. so i believe it makes more sense to desex our bodies, and use male and female uniquely for gender (or not at all)

if we desex bodies of course, then we might need other ways to talk about certain common clusterings of attributes, and the solution for that is to just say what's there. idk if there are better words for this but it can be things like

  • "estrogen/testosterone dominant system"
  • "having a uterus"
  • "having a prostate"
  • "having breasts"
  • "weighing less than x"

this has the advantage of automatically accounting much better for human diversity than the strict sex system ever could :3

using agab instead of asab is another defocusing of sex then.

but also when people ask for agab, they might and really should literally just mean "as what gender were u raised (pre transition)"

[-] LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Gender and sex used to mean the same thing, and it's not like massive amounts of people are out there raising their kids non binary until the kids can choose for themselves, so whatever sex someone is assigned denotes the gender they've been assigned too.

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[-] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I am gonna disagree for the only reason that knowing the AGAB(and also knowing if they did hormone therapy) of someone can be helpful (eg: knowing how meds or drugs react to the body) and this meme normalize the act of not telling your AGAB which can be dangerous especially if a professional asks it, I can imagine a few others situation where knowing the AGAB can be useful.
Also, Sex ≠ Gender which is something most people confuse sadly

[-] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

You're taking an edge case and blowing it up to disagree with the whole thing? Even then, I actually fear malpractice from some medical professionals if I tell them my AGAB, because they might make wrong assumptions about my body.

[-] lath@piefed.social 16 points 4 days ago

I don't know what agab means, and I'm ok with that.

[-] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 51 points 4 days ago

Assigned gabagool at birth 🤌

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Actual answer: Assigned Gender At Birth

The person is saying that they need to know an NB's gender at birth. The neat part is that gender assignment is almost never necessary information, even in medical contexts, because hormones in blood are more relevant to treatment.

[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

even in medical contexts

I don't ask anyone their AGAB in the back of the ambulance, but there's a chance I need to know what organs someone does or does not have (regardless of gender). I'll straight out ask "Do you have _______?" if it's relevant to the symptoms, along with an explanation as to why I'm asking if necessary. It's not just reproductive organs either: appendix, kidneys, intact lungs, etc -- but people never have a problem answering when I ask about those.

I don't know the patient, have access to their medical information, or have "labs" and imaging equipment. I'm not going to make assumptions because that's both shitty and irresponsible. All I have are my eyes, ears, hands, and some potentially invasive questions. My job is to figure out what's going on so we can start fixing it and get definitive treatment started faster as the hospital. I also want to know acuity so someone doesn't die waiting in the ED.

E.g. "I don't have ovaries or a uterus" eliminates a ton of possibilities for what's causing intense abdominal pain -- burst ovarian cyst, ectopic pregnancy, dysmenorrhea, etc. "I don't have a prostate" is the same for urinary retention or polyuria. Can't have testicular torsion if you don't have testicles, and it saves us both from me asking to look at your crotch if you tell me.

If I have a good working diagnosis and supporting findings to give in my inbound and handoff report we might bypass the ED and go straight to the appropriate floor, or at least bypass triage and go straight to a room. The attending staff at the hospital have a better idea of where to start with tests, imaging, and treatment.

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[-] xkbx@startrek.website 10 points 4 days ago

Yes, I can see your answer isn’t written in binary code, but what is it

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[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago

Agab dir oane afs maul. (Bavarian, badly)

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"Yeah, but are you like... boy nonbinary or girl nonbinary??"

[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago

i WISH people had to ask me this cause they can't tell. sadly i am so tall and my shoulders so broad, that everyone assumes i went through a T puberty first and doesnt ask :<

getting so androgynous that people legit can't tell would be amazing

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

all somethings are bastards?

[-] grranibal@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago
[-] yuri@pawb.social 7 points 4 days ago

assigned gender: all bastard

[-] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I would love to confuse people more but I really dislike shaving my stache lol

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