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submitted 4 days ago by Osm@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Hi everyone,

I’m choosing a default search engine and I’m torn between DuckDuckGo and Brave Search. What matters most to me:

Privacy: what’s actually logged, and can the claims be trusted? Independence from Big Tech: DDG partly relies on Bing, while Brave has its own index. Result quality: relevance for daily, technical and niche queries. Trust: track record, controversies, business model.

Which one do you use daily, and why? Have you noticed a real quality difference? Thanks!

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[-] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I really just want some quality, free, privacy respecting search backends for searxng. I guess I can only pick 2 out of 3 :/

[-] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago

Why is brave even an option. Avoid that at all costs.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 56 points 4 days ago

Daily reminder that the majority of alternative search engines get their upstream results from Bing or Google. As part of their agreements with Microsoft and Google, they may share some information with them. This is not a secret or anything; you can read it all in their terms of service.

Also a reminder that most of these search engines are black boxes. They're all closed source and all we have is their "just trust us" promises of privacy and security and none of them have been audited by trusted third parties as far as I am aware. At this point, just use the one that most closely aligns with your personal values and ethics.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago

“Just trust us,” on the promises of privacy is pusing it, they are all openly sellling your information.

[-] RodgeGrabTheCat@lemmy.ca 38 points 4 days ago

DDG has a no ai version which is what I use.

https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

[-] doodeux@scribe.disroot.org 18 points 4 days ago
[-] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
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[-] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 31 points 4 days ago

If you do any self-hosting, hosting your own instance of SearXNG is a much better way to go. No AI and you actually get results for what you search for. It pulls results from all the other search engines and you can choose which engines you want in settings, and it masks your IP so the other search engines don't see where the requests actually come from. But even if you don't self-host, SearXNG is just a much better privacy respecting search engine anyway.

[-] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

But what back ends are usable for searxng? I tested a bunch with a local searxng for my harness and the choices were ddg, Google and wikipedia. Ddg and Google have very limited api limits and I start getting 429 quickly

[-] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not having that issue. I am pulling results from both google and wikipedia fine. But there's also bing, mojeek, qwant, startpage, brave, and yahoo. You can have as many enabled as you want at one time too.

[-] Marx2k@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

I treated all the providers and had issues with most of them. My guess is because I'm on a corporate network, we have only a few egress IPs and so the target servers think we're flooding them. I'm federal government in an agency with over 70k employees

[-] ItsNotImportant24@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

That very well could be. Maybe try it out on your own home network, if possible where its less used.

[-] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

There is a new Linux distro that includes hardened Zen browser and a tool to set up SearXNG locally. There is also an option to have the searches run through three TOR relays. It makes it all super easy to setup if you’re not someone who is self-hosting other services.

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[-] tales_origin@feddit.org 22 points 4 days ago

I use qwant, mainly because its european. The quality is not that good imo, but its ok for my usage

[-] CarlSagan42@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Same, cause its European and it also is building its own independent index!

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[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

SearXNG is a little tricky to set up, but worthwhile. If you're lazy, I trust DDG over Brave any day of the week.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

I went from the Google to Ecosia and then searXNG. I guess I left ecosia before they went on the big AI trip.

[-] ComradePedro@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I’ve been using DDG as my default for probably longer than I ever used Google, so I’ll share my thoughts on it

What I like:

  • Nice UI with plenty of options
  • Optional AI features
  • Great image search with tons of filters and an AI slop blocker that works reasonably well

What I don’t like:

  • Localized results are not good (Startpage might be better for those)
  • No LLM search API, so I use Brave API for that

They’ve had controversies in the past, but I’ve not heard of any in recent years tbh

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

AI slop blocker

How does this work? I mean how decides it is Ai slop or not?

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Known sources, digital watermarks, and user-contributed reporting.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

I see. Well that makes sense and is indeed useful then.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Note, I have only seen filters for the image search. But there's definitely a lot of slop among the images even though you select to exclude slop. There's just so much slop out there I guess.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I view this comparable to an ad-blocker extension in the browser. It doesn't block all ads, but it does a decent job that the result is usable. Maybe that is the effect, maybe less. As long as they do not heuristic decision and only go about known stuff, then I'm all for it. My first thought was "oh they fight ai with ai", but that is not the case as it seems. But it depends on the sources for that filter. If they use Ai to detect, then I'm not a big fan of the filter.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Indeed. Note also that I'm only certain about the user reporting, as I've done some reporting of my own. I stopped after a while though. There's so much that it feels futile.

But, the other ways of determining should be possible too.

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I stopped using DDG because it kept steering me to articles that were rehosted with paywalls by MSN instead of the actual source of the content.

I use Brave mostly, because they at least pretend to be private, and I actually get some decent results.

Unsurprisingly the best results come from Kagi, the paid service, primarily because they let you cater the results to your preferences. You can blacklist certain sites, prefer others, and even search the "small web" for blogs and such from smaller creators, and the Fediverse at large.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Why pay for some company to watch over you and your searchs? If you want real private searching it comes down to searXNG!

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Agreed, hosting is probably the most private web search we have. Only your IP address is still sent to the actual search engines searXNG calls. Using a VPN would solve this last bit too.

An extreme alternative would also be Tor.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

SearXNG is not absolute privacy either. They don't each have their own index.

No one pays "for some company to watch over you". The reason why you pay I already gave: because it's better at what it does.

[-] boonhet@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

SearXNG is private iff you use someone else's instance

Me, I like self hosting things... So it's actually less private. Multiple search engines get each of my queries lol

[-] tigerhawkvok@startrek.website 5 points 3 days ago

Kagi in general, and if I feel extra strongly about privacy, I use Privacy Pass mode which is cryptographically guaranteed private.

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I use mainly Startpage and Mojeek, sometimes Ecosia and Qwant. Not so for privacy, but by far the best for image search is Yandex (yes, I know). But anyway there is always needed to use several search engines + specific page searches for an deeper research. Respect privacy there are only few conditions, the search engine don't log your searches (avoiding filter bubble), don't use AI of big corps, no SEO crap and don't use tracking cookies, given in most engines except Google, Bing and Yahoo. Privacy isn't a main problem in other engines as these and finish when you visit the searched page, where the protection from any search engine finish if you do it without proxy or VPN.

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