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[-] livus@kbin.social 58 points 2 years ago

Just a distraction.

I mean the easiest way of overthrowing Netanyahu would be for the US to stop giving Israel money while he's in power. He'd be gone by lunchtime.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

If the US sanctioned Israel, the very next day the Gaza massacre woull stop and Bibi would out, and within a week probably in jail, not only because Israel's oldest ally turning against them like that would be the stronguest possible message that they fucked-up, but also but because losing support from the US would be seen as an existential threat for Israel.

The talkie-talkie from the US Administration that's as far as the US goes at the moment (accompanied by the very oppsite of the words in actions such as military and diplomatic support) is rightly seen as hot air produced merelly for Biden's political convenience.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

He'd be gone by lunchtime.

Why?

There's this narrative that Israel is completely dependent on US aid and would be powerless without it, but I don't think that's obviously true. What military is going to meaningfully threaten them? Jordan has no interest in another giant wave of Palestinian migrants (given that the last one led to a coup attempt), nor does it have a significant military. Lebanon hardly has a genuine government. Syria is a mess. Egypt does have some legitimate power, but also has no interest in a massive war right next to them.

The only regional power capable of meaningfully threatening Israel is Iran, and Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Sunni coalition do not want massive expansion of Iranian influence.

Not to mention, Israel has already defeated all of its neighbors, simultaneously, twice. I'm fairly confident that the only thing that would actually happen if the US stopped sending aid is a bit of a dent in the Israeli economy.

[-] livus@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

My point is that I think the Israeli political establishment would rather give up Netanyahu than give up billions of dollars worth of funding and weapons from the US.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I think you're right. Netanyahu is still currently on trial for corruption, he's struggled to form a governing coalition, and even though he wanted to turn 10/7 into a moment of national unity, most Israeli's blame him for the attack. He really is not popular domestically, and losing the support of Israel's largest international partner would probably be the final nail in his coffin. I think this narrative of the U.S., "overthrowing," Netanyahu is his government's attempt to spin mild U.S. criticism into foreign election interference.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

Oh, wow, Israeli Fascists spreading ever more unbelievable fables of them being the true victims.

I did NAZI that coming.

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I haven't read down the thread yet, just saw your comment. Maybe others have said something similar-

Just out of curiosity, why do you say it is a fable? It seems obvious that Netanyahu has fallen out of favor with the Biden administration and that Biden's administration is courting the opposition. See the recent visit by the Israeli opposition leader to the US.

"Overthrow" is probably too strong, but I guarantee the US State Department and intelligence agencies are working behind the scenes to weaken Netanyahu and strengthen the opposition. There will likely be an attempt to remove Netanyahu before the US elections in November. As it is, the genocide is a noose around Biden too. If he can stop the current situation, it will help him tremendously in November.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There is zero evidence for it, only conjecture, just like your post reads as an "imagine that" or "I wish that" in all but actually using those specific words.

Sure, we can all wonder about the possibilities, and even presume that it might (based on nothing but some personal sympathy for a specific american political force) but we're not government members and are not telling it to the Press.

Might is the domain of fantasy, a universe away from is.

The "enemy from outside" is quite the Propaganda staple of Fascists, including the Nazis, and variants of it have repeatedly been used by this Israeli administration to justify their current, Nazi-like mass murder along etnic lines, so an Israeli government member "casualy" sharing with journalists such evidence-free wonderings - stated as fact, no less - seems far too convenient and within that pattern to be a mere accident.

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[-] tourist@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

Surprised they didn't accuse random US politicians of secretly being hamas

not their usual strategy

[-] Diotima@kbin.social 47 points 2 years ago

Israel is not a protectorate of the US but an independent and democratic country whose citizens are the ones who choose the government

Okay cool, can we stop supplying weapons and Intel now?

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 years ago

Just... stop supporting Israel? That's it. Please. If the genocide stops and Netanyahu goes down for it, we are on a less dark timeline.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

senior Israeli official says

Hmm

[-] underisk@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

Bibi taking the hasbara into his own hands

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 years ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago
[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Well they aren't exactly being an allied nation right now. So other than giving them to the wolves, if the Israeli people want the US as an Allie, they need to decide between peace and genocide.

[-] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Sorry but the US isn't exactly the pacifist and/or peacekeeping nation, you think they are. Not to mention that they are trying to spy on their own allies, tap their phones, install backdoors in network equipment, persecute whistle blowers, etc., meddle with other countries internal affairs, trying to stifle the competition of other countries economics and what not. And now supporting full blown genocide and sending arms to Israel. And believe me a lot of people in the US were very happy when the UK left the EU.

So they are just a tad better than Russia in my books and I wonder what the world would be like without countries like the US, Russia, China.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)

On the other hand, they like having Israel, just none of the accusations of genocide that might ruin poor Biden's election campaign

Knowing what happened to USS Liberty, I seriously doubt they're trying to overthrow Netanyahu. Probably trying to bribe him or other members to cool off so the news goes away for a bit.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

On one hand the USA does this all the time (cough Imran Khan cough)

Mainly to leftist governments though, and Bibi's a right-wing extremist. He's the sort of person the US usually installs, which is why there's no way in hell they'd try to overthrow him

I actually wish this was true.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 6 points 2 years ago

The next major candidate isn't any better

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 19 points 2 years ago

This would be less believable if we didn't do it so goddamn often.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 18 points 2 years ago

All it'd take is an election in Israel.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Been hearing this shit for 5 months.

5 months ago I never thought Biden would be so much of a dog to let Netanyahu order Biden around for half a year to support committing blatant Genocide, and covering for him with UN vetoes.

They have Biden on a leash.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the reverse is more likely. Bibi has Biden on such a leash that he'll give them anything they want.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago
[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago

"The West" should just go with the ol shitty parent threat: "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it!" Lol

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Fascists make up whatever bullshit they want.

[-] DarkMessiah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Honestly, more people should be.

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

What a surprise did the puppet lose its benefits already? Or is it not doing what they want?

[-] OozingPositron@feddit.cl 7 points 2 years ago
[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

The US saying "No no, too much genocide"?? What a fucking crock of shit.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago

Why don’t they just get Boeing to deal with it?

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago

I wish. Fuck Israel.

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