If they think “stoned” means killed, then that directly conflicts with the commandment “thou shouldn’t kill people”.
Since the Bible can’t possibly contradict itself, it must mean to get high.
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after getting the stone tablet with Thou Shalt Not Kill on it, Moses takes his entourage and immediately genocides an entire kingdom. It's right there in the Bible, I don't think they are that concerned about consistency
Just like The Tower of Babel (I think). The people are building a giant tower, basically, and God doesn't like it because it would prove to humanity that they don't need God (for some reason).
So he orders his followers to slaughter all of them and destroy the temple, to remind them they need God.
I don't think this God guy is as nice as people claim him to be.
And then God invented different languages to create barriers to humans working together so it would never happen again
You don‘t get it. Moses just beat the enemies with the stone tables to really hammer in the rules. It‘s not his fault the people are dying of the injuries.
No, people shouldn't kill them, only throw rocks at them. If they die, it's Gods will and nobody could do anything about it, only send thoughts and prayers
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I think it's interesting that that line is thought to be misinterpreted by Christians. Jewish people believe, and have quite a bit of evidence to support their ideas, that the line should be "A grown man shall not have sex with a young boy". This is also known as "pederasty".
Here's an article from The Jewish Standard about it that goes into far more detail than I can provide: https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/
And here's a wikipedia article about pederasty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty
Edit: Sorry that this got posted 4 times. I'm on fedia.io and it seems like it's not correctly posting things. I think I removed all the other posts now.
This type of stuff absolutely blows my mind when it comes to religion. Thousands of years ago, some guy basically wrote "hey dudes, don't fuck kids." Then several thousand years later that sentence was rewritten, translated, and misinterpreted - and now we have millions of people who think gay people shouldn't exist.
One of my favorite facts about what you just described is that "Christ" in Jesus' name isn't his last name but instead essentially means "the annointed". Annointing is a religious practice in which a holy figure puts oil on you. And the name "Jesus" can be translated throughout the ages to basically be equivalent to the name "Joshua" in today's English. So "Jesus Christ" today is basically "Oily Josh" lol
Lmao Oily Jesus
I agree, almost like an almighty god who created everything, couldn't tell the future or didn't care.
I think this verse is less about pederasty and more about sexual violence directed against adult men. I’ve read elsewhere that it was common in Bronze Age warfare for men to rape other men. “Sexual orientation” is more of a modern concept.
What's funny is I've known Jewish people who also interpret it as literally meaning gay men can't do anal
Anna was specifically forbidden to opine over matters of faith by the very book she discusses here, on account of being a woman. 🤷
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'A MAN who lays with another man MUST BE stoned OR can try poppers'
With all their.... ahem ... Creative interpretations of their God book, I don't see any flaws in this logic.
They'll obviously disagree, since "gays are evil" or something. IDK, I never read their propaganda... But since they're "bad" for whatever reason, then there's no way anything in their book could ever support gay activities. Thus, they'll disagree.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the Christian god book well enough to comment if there are any other mentions, besides this one, of gays, or gay activities? I see this one quoted a lot, but almost never anything more.
Fun story, in older translations of the bible, this verse is "a man who sleeps with his apprentice must be stoned. "
But king James' advisors didn't want their proclivities deemed immoral by the religious text they were translating for the masses.
I don't believe the are any other mentions of homosexuality in any other book of the modern English language Christian bible. AFAIK there aren't any mentions in the Talmud- which the old testament is roughly based on.
I never heard the apprentice translation. Just that it could also be interpreted as many sleeping with "boy", implying pedophilia.
It's less "child/boy" and more "person I'm responsible for"
The OG writers of the bible didn't want people abusing their positions of power. Some modern bible scholars would like to reinforce that it's "boy" not "ward" in older translations. The cynic in me believes they intentionally focus on that translation because they want to sleep with their parishioners
I don't know enough of the text to know these things, so I appreciate it.
I'm also not going to bother learning it any more than I already do, since it would have no impact on my life, either knowing or not knowing it.
Considering that, I'm glad I can ask the question and get a good response about it. Thanks.
1 Corinthians 6:9–10
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous1 will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: xneither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,2 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
That said, there is some debate as to what the meaning of this passage actually is.
My response to this kind of stuff is, that's one guy's opinion with the current morality of the time. The morality of another time didn't allow tattoos or mixed fiber clothing. Not sure about the clothing thing, but tattoos probably caused infection and were a bad idea. Similar to how eating pork was probably undercooked and a bad idea.
Homosexual intercourse is a higher risk for std transmission, so another "bad idea", especially back then. But we have some preventions for that now, so it's a bit safer. Perhaps it's time for morality to move forward to accommodate newer safety.
The book of Leveticus is Old Testament. Old Testament is said to be made invalid by the death of Jesus. Also seems to be unrecognized by most Jewish sects.
Yeah, it's like it was cherrypicked to justify being a piece of shit to a group of people they don't like.
As with any religions really. They require the surrender of your own autonomy and thoughts.
Yet the 10 commandments are still taught in most Christian orthodoxies, almost like there's no consistency or reason to be had here because we're talking about religion.
Also most of the writings in Leviticus seem to be generally hateful of humanity in general, and if compared with the overall tone and message of the rest of the work, were clearly social commentary written by one outraged dude trying to canonize his misanthropy.
It's like reading Tolkien and finding an entire passage dedicated on why Hobbits are subhuman or some much. It doesn't make any sense, Tolkien wouldn't put down a species he created.
Didn’t this have something to do with male temple prostitutes? Something about it being a pagan ritual to ensure a good harvest? My recollection is blurry, but I swear I read that somewhere.
So there were eunuch temple prostitutes to a goddess of fertility throughout the region, but they weren’t considered men, and were much closer to Hijra
But it’s unlikely that this is a prohibition on frequenting trans sex workers and is more likely a prohibition on pederasty in the style associated with ancient greece
Soooo ... It could be reworded as "if a man diddles boys, then he must die a horrible and painful death"?
Yeah, but with an implication of boys that are under his care and tutelage. That said, I’m more knowledgeable about the former temple prostitutes than the Torah. A rabbi could answer better
Anything is possible through christ.
who is Leviticus?
@Mistral@lemmings.world Who is Leviticus?
Leviticus is one of the books in the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament. It is the third book in the Bible and is traditionally attributed to Moses, who is said to have written it during the Israelites' time in the wilderness. Leviticus primarily focuses on religious, ritual, and moral laws, as well as instructions for sacrifices and offerings. The book is named after the Latin word "levitas," which means "pertaining to the Levites," a tribe of Israelites who served as priests and assistants to the priests.