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What the fuck? They're homeless. Sleeping outside is their only option. Shelters are often dangerous, very restrictive on who they let in and there aren't anywhere near enough of them in the places they need to be.
Sleeping in public places isn't a fucking crime. It's not like they'd choose the park over an apartment if they had one.
Yes, but if it's criminalized you get to remove the eyesore of struggling poor people with the added benefit of fines and imprisonment.
Also prisoners are slave labor thanks to the 13th amendment so if you can take people off the street and chuck them in jail, you get free labor. Yay capitalism. /s
How effective do they expect fining homeless people to be?
Can't pay the fine, believe it or not, jail.
Extremely effective. It's not about housing them...
Not to mention you get kicked out of the shelter in the morning and can’t return until the evening, assuming you’re back in time to get a bed.
Also a lot of them are ran by Christians. Can't imagine they treat gay people equally
After the way I was treated today, I can imagine much worse than "not equally".
It's getting to the point that you can't sleep anywhere legally unless you're paying someone for the space you're occupying. Most of the cities near me have destroyed the woods that homeless people lived in, forcing them to move and leaving behind a weird ass looking stand of trees.
I used to work with homeless people and as much as being outside sucks, shelters can be worse. We had people in their 70s who went to shelters and slept on the floor, their heads almost touching their neighbors. They had their meds stolen and had to sleep on top of their belongings to keep them safe. A lot of people chose to sleep outside in the summer because they felt safer.
It’s getting to the point that you can’t sleep anywhere legally unless you’re paying someone for the space you’re occupying.
This is the point of enclosure and it's been true for hundreds of years now. This is the concept the stole the planet from the people.
A fine on existing.
No, no, no. We wouldn't think of fining people for existing. Just for existing while poor.
You can be sure that these jailed homeless people will end up being forced into labor - enslaved - because you can't let dirt-cheap labor go to waste, and you can't let a poor person look like they're getting something for nothing - mooching, free-riding - even if it's not their choice. Handouts are legitimately only for the rich and their corporations after all. If someone's fined+jailed and won't work for some capitalist exploiter, what will be done? I would guess some kind of torture will be employed to change their minds, but wouldn't be surprised if they're simply executed, especially if they're non-white.
Sounds like we’re running out of orphans for the orphan-crushing machine.
Oh no they still work. They just can't afford to live in a building.
I didn't think they'd actually start setting up Sanctuary Districts in 2024, but it looks like that's their eventual goal...
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bell_Riots
Too bad we don't have a Gabriel Bell.
This lawsuit is idiotic considering the federal courts already ruled that you can't apply penalties against sleeping outside unless there are enough shelter beds for everyone. That ruling was in our federal district covering Oregon...
Fines will teach those people who have no money to get more money.
We keep eroding the social support network and complain about the homeless problem.
We keep changing the environment and complain about the new weather.
This all ends… so well.
The federal government needs to take over homeless support. Establish federally managed shelters.
I'm wary about this being the solution. I mean... [Gestures wildly at the federal government] Just wait until the republicans get a supermajority again and see what they do with camps full of homeless people under federal control.
Yeah, but giving the homeless bus tickets to another state isn’t the answer either. I know that wasn’t referenced earlier- but it happens. Without federal level support, Republicans’ solution is to remove their burdens to someone else’s plate. Then they unironically point at the “failures” of Democratic states, “look at all the encampments.”
Making homelessness illegal is just another arrow in their quiver towards the same goal (target).
"Can blood be squeezed from a stone? A rural Oregon city asks the US Council of Monarchs."
With this lineup, the SC is going to make execution the punishment for not having gainful employment. Only half sarcastic.
I’d have to laugh if the people backing this proposed law become homeless after it is passed.
Yall call this civilization? What a joke.
Yes, let's waste money on fining people, who will tell you they have nothing, but it's no problem, because you will get them sooner or later once you have their address... Oh.
have filed briefs in the case, saying lower court rulings have hamstrung their ability to deal with encampments.
Think it's more about this, than actually collecting fines from homeless people that have no money.
You know, after Putin will be finally sent to Hauge(or die) Russia can solve its demographic problem(you know, hundreds of thousands people becoming fertilizer) by simply making flying to Russia free.
Or that is just another stupid idea and we should focus on education, healthcare, pensions, welfare and public transport instead. This should be even easier and have bigger results.