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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 81 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Aces can be into kink. There's things like ace BSDM communities /shrug.

[–] Toes@ani.social 95 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I'll need that explained more if you don't mind.

I thought the whole point of asexual was you're just not interested in sex or anything relevant to that?

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

Asexual ≠ Not Liking Sex

Asexual = Not Feeling Sexual Attraction

The way I usually describe it as an asexual guy is that there's basically noone I find hot. That doesn't mean they're the opposite. It just like a sense I lack or a color I can't see. I just don't feel sexual attraction. But I do still like people based on other types of attraction and sex is still fun. For me platonic attraction is the main criteria for sexual partners. It's just a fun activity between close friends like watching a movie or playing a board game.

That's not to say that there aren't asexual people who don't like sex because those people do exist, but how much a person likes sex is on the sex repulsion to sex favorable axis and is only tangentally related to asexuality.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is really helpful thank you

Could you elaborate further on platonic attraction? The internet says a platonic relationship is a relationship without romance or sex. This seems to contradict with it being a criteria for sexual partners for you but maybe I'm confusing things

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you label a relationship as platonic, that usually serves to make it explicit that there's no romance or sex going on, yes.

When talking about attraction though, we're in the context of the split attraction model (look that up if you're interested), and there, platonic attraction is treated not as the opposite of sexual attraction, but as its own axis for basically saying "how much do I want this person to be my friend", without saying anything about how much you're sexually attracted to the person.

If you want to properly reconcile the terms, think about it like this - a sexual/romantic relationship is one where the sexual/romantic attraction between the partners is the strongest force, whereas a platonic relationship is one where their platonic attraction is the strongest force.

I personally actually have a hard time seeing platonic and romantic attraction as separate axes, for me, romantic attraction just feels like an extension, a stronger form of platonic attraction.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I guess that explains it, thank you.

for me, romantic attraction just feels like an extension, a stronger form of platonic attraction

Oh yes I'm completely with you on that one, i think... but then I also feel like for me personally sexual attraction is an extension of romantic attraction. It's all about how you interpret your feelings I guess...

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[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I guess platonic isn't the right word but it's the closest I could think of at the time. I guess maybe emotional attraction? A person I care deeply about who I enjoy being around and feels the same towards me. Basically a relationship for me is just a best friend who I also happen to have sex with and thats what I look for personally.

But the main thing is the lack of sexual attraction. Other sex favorable ace people may deal with things differently. I personally know one asexual aromantic woman who doesn't care who she screws because like I said before, a lack of attraction doesn't make people unattractive, it's just null. So for her basically everyone is the same so she'll just take whoever to meet her needs whenever she's horny and just be done with it. From what I've seen in the ace community that definitely isn't common but it is a good example of just how different the the stance on sex between different asexual people can be.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

A person I care deeply about who I enjoy being around and feels the same towards me.

Isn't that just romantic attraction?

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[–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sexuality in general is best seen as a spectrum, and that even applies to asexuality. I've met folks who only find sexual attraction in people they are intimately familiar with (can't whack the nasty with any random people, they gotta trust and be comfortable and familiar with a partner). Others have a complete lack of sexual interest and arousal. I, myself, do have an active libido, but no actual interest in sex itself thanks to bad events in my past.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

“Horny ace” is one of the more difficult sexualities to be, but it definitely does exist.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Ace is about sexual attraction, not interest in sex. You can be ace and love sex and you can be allo and be sex repulsed.

[–] jose1324@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’m queer and fully agree

[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My sexual preference Is “no” and I have to say that instead of asexual because sexual people have decided that the prefix “a” in front of the word “sexual” does not mean “not sexual”.

What used to be safe spaces for people whose sexual preference is “no” are now filled with people whose sexual preference is “yes, but I don’t feel horny by looking at people”.

And if anyone dare speaks up they get bullied, called acephobic, and told to just accept asexual people are sexual too and how dare we say please use a different label for that.

I am far from the only one who’s noticed this. It also leads to things like romantic asexuals (people who want a romantic relationship just without sex) having a harder time than they already did because people are learning “Oh your ace? But you’ll have sex for ME, right?”

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[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So, technically speaking, an ace individual cannot find someone sexy? They can have sex with someone for the sake of having sex, be it for bond or pleasure or whatnot, but from what you're saying they do not show any sexual attraction towards any demographic of people?

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Basically.

There are grey-aces (whom are still aces; black-stripe ace sometimes is used to refer to those with no sexual attraction) whom experience some sexual attraction some of the time.

But there's a lot of aces who are surprised to realize sexual attraction is something people actually experience.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I always feel a bit confused by the name, and wonder whether it will eventually see itself focused or broadened further. Sexuality is a spectrum, but “asexual” doesn’t seem, overtly, to include sexual desire given its literal meaning. I do love the names of the sub-identities associated with it, though. Each one’s intention and definition feels apparent and up to date.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Sexualities generally refer to sexual attraction. Homosexuals are sexually attracted to people have the same gender, not to repeating the same sex acts over and over and heterosexuality is about attraction to people with different genders, not to novelty sex acts. Pansexual does not mean attraction to pans not to literally everyone or everything. Taking the words too literally is not really useful.

The differentiation of the ace/allo axis and the sex-favorable/sex-repulsed axis is particularly useful for aces, but it still has its use for allos as well (some people who have PTSD related to sexual activity may be sex repulsed, but can still experience sexual attraction). Lots of reasons to engage in and enjoy sex other than attraction to a specific person. Even allos often engage in sex with those whom they aren't attracted to.

The major ace subreddits regularly had issues with sex-favorable people complaining about all the posts being sex-negative and sex-repulsed people (sometime simultaneously) complaining about too much sex-positive content. Would be more amusing if those types of posts didn't waste so much space...

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

I'm going to go out on a limb and feverently disagree with you here.

This is like saying "yes, gay men can still have sex with women, as long as they're not attracted to them. They're still gay! It's only a name!"

It's an awful precedent. The amount of times I've been asked if I'm "one of those asexuals who have sex" is gross. I identify as asexual because the name itself was.. what I was. I can no longer safely identify with it now because it apparently includes everybody.

Aces can have sex. Yes. There are caveats and disclaimers, but that's not untrue. But there's no such thing as "grey asexual". That's greysexual. It's a separate thing.

"Asexual" becoming "inclusive" to almost everything muddies the waters.

I'm not against sex-favorability— I am against not being able to use the label to distinguish clear what I identify as anymore. It's frustrating as hell.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

BDSM != sex, even if the two are heavily connected in a lot of people's minds. I've played with both tops and bottoms that were ace/het/LGBT, and there was not anything sexual there. Hell, one of my fave experiences was bottoming for a lesbian top who enjoyed beating on dudes.

BDSM is not inherently sexual, even if there can be a lot of sexuality involved.

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[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 7 points 7 months ago

Lots of kinky stuff isn't sex.

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[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Asexual BDSM is just consentual torture lol

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 49 points 7 months ago

She's asexual and forcing anon to be asexual in a different way.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Her not wanting to frick doesnt mean she doesn't want to se you getting fricked.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

What the fuck did you just say

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Welp time to get a new gf. Or maybe just go play some video games.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All my homies love their chastity cages. Sure you need to lean a little to piss out of them, but aside from that there's nothing weird about it.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sure you need to lean a little to piss out of them

Fucking hell I hadn't even thought of that. I wonder if they have that PFFFFTTTTPTTTTT noise some women have

[–] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sexuality as an identity is weird and almost never matches with the subjects observed sexuality. See Catholic priests and kinky asexuals.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Catholic priests are not asexual, they are celibate. That's very different.

[–] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I was more thinking of the whole "homosexuality is a sin" while raping little boys like it's a sport.

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[–] Corigan@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago

She's cucking anon hard....

Hate to see it.

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