ToastedPlanet

Fascism is a collective puzzle that has to be solved collectively. Humans are not necessarily predisposed to fail or succeed this puzzle. Fascism takes advantage of human tribalism, but any person is still capable of rationalizing that fascism is not in either their self-interest or a larger collective self-interest. Fascism is self-destructive.

Fascists have to make good on their promise to eliminate the out-groups they demonize. In order to stay in power, the fascists have to keep dividing a country's population into new in-groups and out-groups. The subjective hierarchies they construct and adhere to are based on unattainable ideals. If this process is not stopped externally, the fascists eventually have to kill everyone. This includes the fascists drinking the flavor-aid.

The only way for humanity to survive fascism is to educate ourselves and each other about these self-destructive ideologies. That everyone is imperfect and everyone deserves to live no matter where they fall on subject hierarchies. Anyone who is seriously considering fascism as means of self-preservation can conclude that this ideology will lead to their own destruction and the destruction of the people they care about. Fascism logically contradicts it's own false promises of security and prosperity. Once people understand this, people will then be open to other ideologies to solve their problems that do not involve demonizing groups of people.

People of course have to be given complete information as part of their education on fascism and other self-destructive ideologies. If all a person gets is fascist propaganda, as is happening in the US, then it shouldn't be surprising when people stuck in echo chambers become fascists.

Ideologies can work as far as convincing people to adopt the ideology. However fascism does not work as far as solving the economic problems that drive people to look for solutions in the first place. No amount of genocide of a society's existing population improves a person's material conditions in that society. That kind of genocide is likely to eventually destabilize the society that is committing the genocide. The human psychology that can make us all susceptible to fascism does not prevent us from seeing it for what it is, inherently self-destructive. The human population destroys itself as part of implementing fascism.

There will always be con artists that try to demonize people to get what they want. But if people know that not no amount of demonizing can put food on the table or keep people safe they aren't going to fall for it.

Not to blow you off, but maybe create a new post to continue this discussion and send me a link if you want my thoughts specifically. This post's comment section got glowy.

I'm saying the mischaracterization of the meme as juvenile is incorrect as the meme contains the minimum information everyone should know.

Mexico respects Bigfoot's privacy.

I would hope at least this much, but ideally more. It probably depends on the American teenager though.

One is much more useful to the Capitalist and so it will ultimately prevail. The capitalist will devote all resources to crushing the leftist populism up to and including directly funding fascism.

Unless. We have to spread these ideas to as many people as possible. We can't afford to call it early.

Gesundheit!

What a killer quote. =D

Not with that attitude. We know how to implement socialism while maintaining a market economy and how to improve our democracy to achieve majority rule. All of it is logistically doable and well understood. What we need is the political will to do it.

We don’t have any evidence to suggest it will get better.

We know how to make things better. We need to get off fossil fuels and capitalism. Hoping it will get worse won't work. It will just get worse. People have made things better before. We are living in the success of optimistic activists who believed they could make the world a better place. We need to do the same.

I’m also not really sure what you mean by “more complete lives.”

How about making more money. Eating food and breathing air that doesn't kill us. Working for ourselves and not billionaires. Having third spaces where people can be a part of a community, instead of being isolated.

I’m just against human life period.

This is literally the root of the flawed ideologies of our time. I implore you to reconsider. We are all in this together.

The Modlog has examples.

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog

I had an argument about Black hair styles being banned in schools with a user who turned out to be sealioning. The user tried to frame it as solely a men's issue. The user went so far as to try to invent a cultural history of long hair styles for white men in the US. When in fact, this issue disproportionately affects Black women. The user of course ignored all the data from the study that I cited in my argument. edit: typo

https://www.aclutx.org/sites/default/files/dresscodereport_2-1-24.pdf

We have to hope things get better, because no matter how bad things get, they can always get worse. People will see things getting worse as evidence that it hasn't gotten worse enough. The idea that there is some point where it can get bad enough to spur positive change is false. The positive change that has happened in society originates from people wanting things to get better.

We have to convince people to want things to get better, by showing them it can be better. Too many people are worried about losing the little they have. People have to see we can all be living more complete lives without harming the planet.