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Geronimo writes -- "I’ll see if there’s any existing discussions about private communities while I’m at it though, it might be something the main devs have an opinion on or plan for."

Brilliant -- thank you for checking.

There are all kinds of situations in which a (usually small) group of people might need some privacy. An oppressed minority at a college in the southern United States, a group of employees trying to unionize, etc. Doctors discussing procedures and needing both vetted credentials to comment intelligently/safely and the general public to not see they are disagreeing with each other...

At the same time, it would be great to have FEWER login credentials -- so members of these private communities could also partake in all the advantages of the Federated communities on their same Lemmy instance.

-- Michael

Shadow -- The point is to have the best of both worlds. So a person could join the Lemmy instance and participate in all the Federated communities. Then, they could be vetted for the private community (which is not Federated -- only on that instance), in order to discuss more private matters.

Not extremely secret stuff, more along the lines of "I'm a psychotherapist and I'm having depression issues myself" or "I have a depressed 23-year-old female client with symptoms of ..... Do you all have some treatment recommendations". Stuff that is back-channel and maybe the whole world should not read.

Despite their various evils -- Facebook, Tumblr, and Reddit all have both open and closed communities. Of course these platforms are no doubt reading the "private" communities and monitizing it quietly in some way. Maybe even selling the data out the back door...

Anytime people need a bit of trust and privacy at a distance this becomes a good idea. A young mother's group wanting to exchange advice and support on breastfeeding, an LGBTQ group at a particular somewhat hostile college in Texas, etc.

Yes, old-fashioned BBS systems (remember FidoNet?) do this -- but then non-technical people have to learn a new BBS login every blessed time they want to access one of their particular closed groups. So you do it all through Lemmy for some convenience.

-- Michael

[–] mreeder@lem.clinicians-exchange.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Geronimo -- This would be lovely! Bonus points if its not just hidden, but can't be accessed by non-subscribers to that particular community. But... I'll take what I can!

[–] mreeder@lem.clinicians-exchange.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shadow -- I suppose that means private communities won't be possible.

 

HI -- I'm wondering:

  1. If support for private communities with a restricted member list within a Lemmy instance that is otherwise public is on the drawing boards for future implementation? Timeframe? Or just a someday since we are mostly volunteers?

  2. If not, where would be the best place for me to submit this feature request?

Trying to weigh several factors as to whether or not to keep my Lemmy instance operational. My use case is I'm trying to attract an audience of users (mental health professionals) who seem to be just not interested in discussions on Lemmy if they are open to the public. If they want an anonymous account to discuss other topics (I allow these too), they can just open one anywhere. (Yes, I've done more marketing than most, but that's another topic.)

Thanks, Michael

[–] mreeder@lem.clinicians-exchange.org 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh Gods -- on a lark I just typed "x.com" into my browser. One guess what website I ended up on? I'm imaging it now -- someone bought "x.com" 15 years ago and cursed the day they ever wasted money on it, yet hung onto it... Now they are on vacation in the tropics.

 

Forwarded from Dr. Ken Pope with small edits to get under size limits.

-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ADHD: Disentangling Genetic, Environmental, & Developmental Risk Factors—New Research Findings

The new issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry includes an article: “ADHD: The Mammoth Task of Disentangling Genetic, Environmental, and Developmental Risk Factors.”

Sarah Kittel-Schneider, M.D., is the author.

Here are some excerpts:

The first medical description of what is currently labeled attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) was published as early as the 18th century

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The underlying causes of ADHD, however, were unclear for nearly 200 years.

Since the beginning of the 21st century, it is largely validated that ADHD is a disorder with a heritability of about 80%, estimated from twin and family studies (4).

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Polygenic risk scores (PRSs) summarize the risk alleles of an individual and weigh the effect size in an independent GWAS. Using PRSs seems to be useful to capture the synergistic effects of common risk variants of low effect sizes and to identify individuals carrying a higher genetic burden of those common variants (9). Moreover, more rare variants, such as copy number variants (CNVs), are also shown to play a role in ADHD pathogenesis, since there is a significantly increased burden in individuals with ADHD compared with the general population (10).

Not only genetic but also environmental and developmental risk factors and their interaction are suggested to contribute to the onset of ADHD (11). But the investigation of the causality of environmental and developmental risk factors in ADHD is even more complex.

Earlier studies investigating, for example, the impact of smoking during pregnancy on ADHD risk in the exposed child often did not take the mother’s psychopathology or genetic risk into account (12). The same is true for the effect of breastfeeding on ADHD risk (13). Better-designed studies already hinted that the genetic risk of the mother might be the causal factor rather than the harmful effects of smoking in ADHD (14). Only few studies have been published so far looking at pregnant women with ADHD and mother-child interaction in early infancy in mothers (and fathers) with ADHD. Early data hint that women with ADHD are at a greater risk of smoking, drinking alcohol, and using illegal drugs as well as greater risk of pregnancy and birth complications, compared with the general population (15).

Therefore, it is highly challenging to disentangle the genetic from the environmental and developmental risk factors.

For example, preterm birth has been shown to have a relatively consistent association with an increased ADHD risk, but the direction of the effect is less clear (16). Does prematurity lead to ADHD symptoms, or do fetuses with a genetic ADHD risk tend to be born prematurely for unknown biological reasons? Or, as a third possibility, are mothers with ADHD more prone to give birth to premature infants as a result of increased psychosocial stress and unhealthy lifestyle and the causal link is rather the transmission of the genetic risk variants? Finally, is there an interaction or interplay between those different risk factors?

To make it even more complex, several potential environmental risk factors (in pregnancy or after birth) may also share genetic risk with ADHD, such as obesity, gestational diabetes mellitus, autoimmune disorders, allergic disorders, and so on, and there are hints that polygenic liability of ADHD is associated with an increased risk of exposure to environmental ADHD risk factors in individuals without an ADHD diagnosis as well.

A 2019 study by Leppert et al. (17) investigated mothers without a clinical ADHD diagnosis but carrying risk alleles associated with ADHD, compared with mothers without those risk alleles. Of most interest was the fact that the mothers with ADHD risk alleles had increased lifestyle-related negative exposures, such as more mental health issues and pregnancy complications and increased markers of unhealthy nutritional status. However, that study was unable to show a significant association of preterm birth with maternal ADHD genetic risk or with ADHD risk genes in the exposed children.

In this issue of the Journal, Brikell et al. (18) report on a study of the interaction between ADHD PRS, ADHD diagnosis, and environmental risk factors. They studied the association of 24 environmental and developmental risk factors and ADHD polygenic risk scores in a large cohort of 13,697 ADHD case subjects and 21,578 control subjects from a general population sample. There were three times more affected males than females in the sample, which needs to be mentioned, as we estimate that rates of adult ADHD are only 1.5 times higher in men compared with women in population-based studies. Brikell et al. included birth-related, somatic, and psychosocial risk factors, including parental mental disorder diagnoses, to evaluate potential gene-environment interactions. Not surprisingly, they could confirm a significant association of ADHD PRS with ADHD diagnosis. The higher the PRS burden, the greater the ADHD risk, which is confirmed in other studies (19). It is most interesting that in the general population sample, the authors could show a significant association of ADHD PRS with half of the 24 environmental risk factors. Small for gestational age, maternal autoimmune disorder, having had at least one infection, having had five or more infections, and a history of mild traumatic brain injury (TBI) were significantly associated. Furthermore, ADHD PRS was significantly associated with most of the psychosocial risk factors, such as income in the lowest quintile, low education level, living in a single-parent household during the first 5 years of life, being under age 20 at birth of index child, and parental history of mental disorder. Nineteen of the 24 risk factors were associated with a diagnosis of ADHD. The most significant associations were reported for low birth weight, epilepsy, and low parental education. Adjusting for ADHD PRS load and parental mental disorder diagnosis did not largely change the findings.

Surprisingly, Brikell et al. only found a tendency of gene-environment interaction between ADHD PRS and four of the 24 risk factors, namely, maternal autoimmune disease, TBI, paternal unemployment, and lower paternal age at birth of index child.

This suggests that individuals who are burdened with a higher ADHD PRS load and are additionally exposed to one of these four environmental risk factors might have a higher probability of developing ADHD.

The only gene-environment interaction that survived false discovery rate correction for multiple comparison, however, was the interaction of maternal autoimmune disease and high ADHD PRS load.

The results from the Brikell et al. study are very promising and point out the importance of what data should be included in future studies on the etiopathology of ADHD.

They strengthen the evidence of the heterogeneity of ADHD disease mechanisms and point toward the possibility of disentangling genetic and environmental risk factors as well as studying their complex interplay and interactions.

Recent studies give first hints as to how environmental factors can influence gene expression by changes in the epigenome, but this field is only in its infancy (20). More insight into ADHD pathomechanisms will reveal targetable risk factors that then can be addressed by interventions, and the causality will finally be proven in future interventional studies.

REPRINTS & OTHER CORRESPONDENCE: kittel_s@ukw.de.

Ken Pope

Thank you Dr. Pope.

Merely forwarded by:
Michael Reeder LCPC
Baltimore, MD
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Madcow -- While you are not wrong, we are talking about the unwashed masses here who are not necessarily savvy. "Private chat" really should have been.

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