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    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I don’t think there’s a need for File.txt and fILE.txt

    It's not so much about that need. It's about it being programmatically correct. f and F are not the same ASCII or UTF-8 character, so why would a file system treat them the same?

    Having a direct char type to filename mapping, without unnecessary hocus pocus in between, is the simple and elegant solution.

    [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    It turns out that the easiest thing to program isn't always the best application design.

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    I would argue that elegance and being easy to program are virtues by themselves, because it makes code easy to understand and easy to maintain.

    A one-to-one string to filename mapping is straightforward and elegant. It's easy to understand ("a filename is a unique string of characters"), it makes file name comparisons easy (a bit level compare suffices) and as long as you consistently use the case that you intend, it doesn't behave unexpectedly. It really is the way of the least surprise.

    After all, case often does have meaning, so why shouldn't it be treated as a meaningful part of a filename? For example: "French fries.jpg" could contain a picture of fries specifically made in France, whereas "french fries.jpg" could contain a picture of fries made anywhere. Or "November rain.mp3" could be the sound of rain falling in the month of November, whereas "November Rain.mp3" is a Guns N' Roses song. All silly examples of course, but they're merely to demonstrate that capitalization does have meaning, and so we should be able to express that canonically in filenames as well.

    [–] redisdead@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

    It's not elegant when it causes more problems than it solves.

    [–] radamant@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    That's some suckless level cope. What's correct is the way that creates the least friction for the end users. Who really cares about some programming purity aspect?

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    That’s some suckless level cope

    Thanks, really constructive way of arguing your point...

    Who really cares about some programming purity aspect?

    People who create operating systems and file systems, or programs that interface with those should, because behind every computing aspect is still a physical reality of how that data is structured and stored.

    What’s correct is the way that creates the least friction for the end users

    Treating different characters as different characters is objectively the most correct and predictable way. Case has meaning, both in natural language as well as in almost anything computer related, so users should be allowed to express case canonically in filenames as well. If you were never exposed to a case insensitive filesystem first, you would find case sensitive the most natural way. Give end users some credit, it's really not rocket science to understand that f and F are not the same, most people handle this "mindblowing" concept just fine.

    Also the reason Microsoft made NTFS case insensitive by default was not because of "user friction" but because of backwards compatibility with MSDOS FAT16 all upper case 8.3 file names. However, when they created a new file system for the cloud, Azure Blob Storage, guess what: they made it case sensitive.