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I knew that there wasn't any nationally mandated PTO, but I assumed that most of you had some in your contracts individually or union...FFS America, what are you doing!!!
In NZ we get 4 weeks/year and 10 days sick leave. Most companies have allowance for a couple of mental health days also, some even pay those days.
There is also bereavement leave, of up to 3 days. Parental leave of 26 weeks, your employer has to keep your job open for you to return to after the 26 weeks.
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Side note: we are full, don't come here. Actually we get left off maps, and we like it like that.
Yeah, I actually am not sure what folks are talking about. Even in the most soul crushing places I've worked, the bosses still (reluctantly) give PTO. I've worked all over the USA from retail to military to Mom n pop shop etc, PTO has never been "do I get PTO?" It's "how much PTO do I get?"
Oh you sweet sweet summer child. Here in the US we traded unions and labor protection for an extra $20 a week and rugged individualism.
Yeah but without the extra money
You're getting an extra $20?
In Europe I don't think sick days even have a limit, at some point you need to actually prove you are sick and are not just saying it, but as long as you have a doctor sign off on it you can be sick as much as you like.
Often used when people have long-term illnesses or injuries that take a long time to recover from
Those sick days are totally separate from holiday pay. So I can be off for 2 weeks with an infection (with a doctor's note) and then take a week holiday, and they can't say boo.
Plus, you took vacation days but got sick during the vacation? Get a doctor’s note, and you get your vacation days back to use later.
Surprisingly, a lot of people don't seem to be aware of this when you point it out to them.
Unless you get a serious illness during your PTO it doesn’t really make a big difference
Who on earth doesn't want extra vacation days if possible?!
The problem is the restrictions on when you can be considered sick during your vacation.
a) you need to inform the company on the first day of sickness
b) if you are still sick after 5 days after informing your company, then you are entitled to get your remaining vacation back.
As the 5 days first start counting from when you inform your company ~ well you see where I am going? Unless you wanna be known as the one who tells their boss every time they get the sneeze.. it is only gonna be relevant if you get a serious illness during your PTO..
Some companies here have unlimited sick leave, but it is not common.
Some double the national minimum of 10. Others have 15 days.
But most just allow for the minimum.
I have a corporate job with a very large company. Interact with CTO and other executives occasionally.
If I take off, I don't get paid. And they can fire me whenever.
And the state they operate out of doesn't have unemployment money left to pay when that happens so you better have money in the bank.
At least I have basic health care I can't use that I pay $300 a month for.
Lol, we don't do contracts for most positions, either!
What kind of hellscape are guys running over there.
It has a LOT of downsides when it comes to being a worker here and I hate it, my family got sent here for stealing bread and we've basically never been wealthy enough to escape in the checks notes oh my god almost 300 years kill me
It does have the minor upside that we can quit on the spot without any repurcussions here, though most won't because of the whole "I need to eat to survive" thing
As one of the few Americans who has on multiple occasions played chicken with homelessness after using my right to work rights to escape bad treatment: it's nice to have but I'd prefer real protection
Most companies have PTO of some kind, but there's not a lot of real enforcement and whatever rules there are vary state-to-state, a situation I'm sure is about to get much, much worse with an administration coming promising to gut or destroy federal agencies.
Most established companies usually only offer a week or two of PTO a year, and this includes sick-time and sometimes holidays, so if you want to take Christmas and new years off, some companies force you to spend your PTO days on it. Many times if you don't use your PTO it just expires at end of the year and doesn't accumulate, they wouldn't want anyone saving up and taking a few weeks off while being paid. Most Americans manage to swing a handful of 3-day or 4-day weekends a year, and that's the extent of our down-time or escape from work.