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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

For 1-5 you can blame the people paying scalpers prices instead of just waiting.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (3 children)

When scalpers buy all the tickets to a concert in milliseconds, and the only way to buy a ticket is through a scalper, why are you blaming the person who wants to go to the concert instead of the scalper?

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If we all collectively agreed to not buy from scalpers the ticket sellers would have a real incentive to do something against the scalpers. Right now they don't have to care.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Would thry?

The ticket seller doesn't care if there's an empty hall, he got paid early on.

You're hoping that the scalpers don't get enough return to be able to justify continuing to play their role.

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

You’re hoping that the scalpers don’t get enough return to be able to justify continuing to play their role.

Yes, that's what "If we all collectively agreed to not buy from scalpers" would achieve. I get that that isn't going to happen but it is still our collective fault.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That "solution" suffers from the problem that requiring hundreds of thousands or even millions of people to get informed about and agree to do something all in the same time period (it won't work if some do it now and others only later) is incredibly more hard than it is for a few tens of people or maybe a couple hundred to as individuals swarm the sales venues and take all the tickets to resell them for more money.

Or putting things another way, it's a mountain to climb for large numbers of people to organise and stop scalpers (and that, only for a while, since if people stop doing it the scalpers will return), whilst in the current commercial environment scalpers appearing is a natural outcome.

This kind of thing usually requires changing the structures that make scalping so easy, rather than hoping that somehow (magic?) hundreds of thousands or miliions of people agree to do something.

PS: Yeah, a cultural change would be it, but expecting it to just happen and all at the same time (given that early adopters of that practice won't actually see any upside until a large enough mass of people have adopted it and they'll start giving up if too much time goes by whilst they're refraining from buying from scalpers and yet scalpers keep going because so many others are still doing it) is highly unrealistic.

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago

I'm all for changing the structures that enable scalpers in the first place but that too requires agreement and action of many many people. So if we can't even do that for something relatively small like tickets to concerts I doubt we'll be able to change the system in general

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If we all collectively agreed...

Gestures broadly

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah but have you seen....

Gestures broadly

... The state of things? We need to stand up as a people

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the most recent US election one of the candidates ran on a platform of "being a dictator Day 1" and a third of Americans didn't bother to vote at all while another third happily voted for the wannabe dictator.

I do not have any faith in a large number of humans collectively working together for a better ideal.

[–] killingspark@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Didn't say I do have that faith. Just saying what I think would be necessary for large scale positive change.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Woah woah woah, we weren't expecting an easy example to prove us wrong, how dare you.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

You could go do something else instead or watch one of their performances on YouTube for free. Nobody has a gun to your head, a concert isn't a necessity.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

You could, but they aren't the ones causing the issue, they're just enabling profits to be made from it.

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

6 as well. Imagine if nobody would buy houses and just expand their parents house by a floor for their own family.

If that doesn’t work - make the neighborhood criminal by yourself right after those "people" bought houses.

If that doesn’t work, just purge them.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah its totally affordable to just expand in existing houses. Why didn't i think of that?

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

I didn’t say anything about affordability, just stated that it’s cheaper than purchasing land + house

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think that's what caused the housing market to crash.

Surely it'll happen one of these days right?

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If my assumptions are correct, there should be a crash of something within the next 4-6 months. My problem is that a new president always means a new unknown variable, like Bitcoin did nearly double its value after Trump won, there will be a still unknown thing once he gets into office.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Damn I'll probably be in a reeducation camp by then