I mean you can, and should be, pissed off at Democrats all you want. Doesn't change that all data point towards them being a better decision for middle/lower class Americans.

Problem is, a bunch of Americans feel the way you do, but instead of still voting intelligently, despite being upset with Dems, they chose to stay home or vote 3rd party.

So now a felon rapist is our leader and the ultra rich have made it abundantly clear average people like us are going to lose even more power.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean you can, and should be, pissed off at Democrats all you want. Doesn’t change that all data point towards them being a better decision for middle/lower class Americans.

Very true.

Problem is, a bunch of Americans feel the way you do, but instead of still voting intelligently, despite being upset with Dems, they chose to stay home or vote 3rd party.

Wasn't me this time, but will be next time. I voted angrily for Kamala. I'm not voting for the less-evil conservative party next time. I need to see differentiation and I need to see progressive policy stances. I've been voting for what Democrats might one day do if they ever get the chance for 40 years because I wasn't willing to support Republicans. And I could accept all the compromises that kept pushing that carrot down the road.

I don't view those things the same anymore. I saw what D did just in the last two months prior to this election and that was enough. (not by a damn sight my only complaints of the past four years, but the final straw. I can no longer pretend this is the party I was told it was all that time.) They need to be a different party next time, or I'm prepared to spend the rest of my life being one of the people folks hate for R getting elected. I'm not voting for the party of "what R used to be."

At this point I think they are fighting against R because they have no other party to fight against, not because they have a shared principle among them.

Edited to add: Trump has brought the worst of every part of US history and society to the forefront and personified those things himself. And the response of D was still to become more like R, not less. Nuh-uh. They have four years to unfuck themselves, or I am done with them.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m not voting for the less-evil conservative party next time.

Good news, it won't matter next time as far as the presidential vote goes! Remember that "most important election of your lifetime" thing that everyone laughed at? Turns out people didn't want free and fair presidential elections any more. It's still worth voting in blue states for state and local stuff in particular, but red states will make sure that no Democrat ever becomes president again regardless of how people vote.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Frankly my entire screed is predicated on ignoring the possibility that we never see a free election again. A possibility that I consider plausible.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

At any level that Republicans have control over, we won't for the foreseeable future. The only defense we have is the courts and blue state governments, and how effective either will be against the coming tide of fascism remains to be seen.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Careful, some instances take more after Elon's idea of free speech.