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Sanders and AOC tell packed arena Trump is ‘screwing over’ working class
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She's a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.
A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.
At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.
Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).
Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.
We gotta figure out how to De-Tate people
Not really. There wasn't a huge swing of people switching from Democrats or independents to vote for Trump. Those target groups just decided not to vote. In other words, it's not like more people are relating to Trump's messages, but it's people not relating with either's message and feeling apathetic. This is why Trump bashing isn't helping. There needs to be genuine improvement of the Democratic party itself.
Traditional democrats swung huge for Trump. Young men, immigrants, working class. Even many groups who didn’t vote said that they would have voted for Trump if voting was a requirement. If voting had been mandatory, Trump would have won the popular vote by even more.
It was a blowout on almost every level. Young women, particularly college-educated young women, are the only group who swung left this past election. Make of that what you will.
Show me the data.
Trump received less than 300k more votes in 2024 than in 2020. That is less than 1% increase. Adjusted for the voting population, he actually received less votes in 2024 than 2020.
Harris received about 10 MILLION less votes in 2024 than Biden in 2020, about a 13% decrease.
Sure, when you look at percentages, it seems like there was a swing, but that's just not true. The data shows every year, Republicans vote for Republicans, but Democrats do not vote at all when they don't fully support their leader (not even for a third party).
The exact same thing happened with Obama, but inverse. There were historically high increase in voter turnout because the constituents actually supported him.
Data shows that increase in voter turnout correlates with Blue wins. That's not debatable.
Immigrants did still vote for Kamala as a majority (55%).
I wasn't aware of the massive jump Trump had achieved with young men. Looks like it was especially true with young white men, with nearly two thirds voting for Trump. Less than 30% of young men from other racial demographics voted for Trump with the exception of Latinos (45%).
Overall the biggest jumps were with Latinos and young white men but he saw an increase in nearly of every demographic except older white people with whom he has historically had majority support.
I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don't think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.
I think this is not the right conclusion to draw from Harris and Clinton lost to Trump. They were both right-center Dems with lots of anti-left positions. Clinton voted to attack Iraq even though we all knew there were no WMDs and had been a polarizing figure for decades, she was not a good candidate. Neither was Harris, she was corporate, didn't condemn the genocide in Israel, and courted the Cheney vote. That isn't how to get the left to turn out. Neither had a good platform. Mitt Romney lost and so did John McCain and John Kerry I don't hear anyone condemning Mormons or veterans being losing classes of candidates.
A principled woman who isn't a corporate shill or pro-genocide is completely different. Our system is broken, pretending a little adjusting of the regulations or pretending the other side is acting in good faith and being gracious is clearly a losing strategy.
Maybe, people also didn't want a neolib candidate who had no populist appeal. She didn't acknowledge legitimate grievances of the voters. The Democrat party should've held primaries, but they just put Harris in at the end. There's many factors beyond sexism.
Sad but true. DNC thought they had it in the bag with Kamala to the Hispanic group. Did they? Nope! A lot of voters didn’t want a female leader. Mexico is doing better than US currently when comes to leadership and voters.
The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he's too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn't have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.
Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.
Clinton and Harris didn't lose because they were women. They lost because their campaigns were broken.
Harris was sabotaged by Biden trying to cling to power despite not being fit for the job anymore and Clinton thought she had such a guaranteed win she didn't even bother to try to counter her image as the career politician that was everything wrong with government at the time. They would have both still lost even if they were old rich white men.
And, before you say it, Biden only won because of the pandemic. If people hadn't been dying in droves at the time, we would have already finished with Trump's second term by now.
I truly love Bernie but I am pretty sure he'd tell you himself he's too old now, and even if not, MANY voters would have reasonable concerns. I like a Walz-Ocasio-Cortez ticket to get her in then a pres run after that though.
I think AOC is awesome and I think she’d do great work as like pres/vp, but I like that she’s a representative too. She keeps the focus on congress and does a good job of showing people that it’s not just the president that matters. I’d totally vote for her if she ran for president/vp but I also would like it if she just became a congressional leader (like official minority leader or leader of a new party) for actual progressives in congress. I don’t know if that all made sense, but basically I’m trying to say that people don’t have to keep aiming higher. She does and can continue to do good work in congress and that’s just as important as presidential work
I know that congress is useless, but it’s not supposed to be. That’s why I like AOC being a prominent house rep and why I think it’d be great if we could primary out these old “democrats” (that just vote with the republicans half the time anyways) and elect progressives like AOC so that congress will actually work for the people and be a check on the executive power so that we don’t have any more presidents like this in the future… if we have a future