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At least hardcore vegans are that way for an understandable reason. Hardcore anti-vegans just do it for the love of the beef (pun absolutely intended).
Well fuckin played
That was an excellent/terrible pun. I tip my Kangol to you.
We are badly misunderstood. But that's okay, it surely seems that someone who only eats meat must be crazy in some way, since it's such a deviation from the norm.
From the community description:
Zero-carb is an elimination diet. Practitioners generally do it because they've had health problems that were resolved by the removal of various problematic foods. If you're curious, there are many testimonials here: https://www.youtube.com/@zerocarb
I was pre-diabetic, hypertensive, and had fatty liver.
(By the way, you can eat all meat on zero-carb, as long as it doesn't cause you any problems, and not just beef. It's just that ruminant meat appears to be the most optimal. It's also good to have some fish.)
I'm not sure how that connects to my comment about anti-vegans (people who hate on vegans).
Sorry, I misread your comment.
Its okay, it happens to the best of us.
FWIW zero carb carnivores are not 'vegan' vegans - we don't mind people being healthy on other diets - in fact we are happy to see their data! By and large the community is very outcome based, and will pivot in a instant if something works better.
Zero carb is fat based! Not meat based. For the average person they don't add any extra protein in, they just swap out carbohydrates for fat.
A zero carb carnivore eats the same amount of meat as 98% of the world.
These kinds of claims are the reason why I can't take carnivores seriously.
You eat about 400g of beef a day. (some carnivores eat twice that or more. I'm making a conservative estimate) Not to mention some of the "fat" you eat is tallow. which is basically rendered from meat like beef or pork.
That's about 150kg of meat per year.
Most humans are in China and India. Chinese eat about 60kg of meat per year and India is 6 kg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption
The Standard Western diet is about 15% of energy from animal protein, going carnivore does not increase that.
Which is roughly 100g of protein (400 calories), and 65g of fat (600 calories), inline with the standard western diet daily protein recommendations.
My base metabolic rate is about 3500 calories a day (yes, i've measured it). So 11% of my daily energy intake is coming from protein, and 89% is coming from fat. Carnivore is about eating more fat.
That doesn't change anything, unless you classify fat as meat? I don't. Fat is fat. Meat is protein.
As an example butter isn't a type of meat.
Your original claim is about the world.
Now you are talking about western diet which is only a small part of the world.
Sure, that is a fair point. As you have just pointed out there are populations that are not meeting their minimal protein targets for health.
As far as carnivore goes - it doesn't change the daily protein target.