this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2026
375 points (100.0% liked)
WomensStuff
1278 readers
373 users here now
Women only trans inclusive This is an inclusive community for all things women. Whether you're here for make up tips, feminism or just friendly chit chat, we've got you covered.
Rules…
- Women only… trans women are women, and transphobic or gender critical talk isn’t allowed. Anyone under the trans umbrella (e.g. non-binary, bigender, agender) is free to decide whether a women's community is a good fit for them.
- Don’t be a dick. No personal attacks, no aggression, play nice.
- Don’t hate on groups, hatefilled talk about groups is not allowed. Ever.
- No governmental politics, so no talk of Trump actions etc. We recommend Feminism@beehaw.org for that, but here is an escape from it.
- New accounts or users with few comments may have their posts removed to prevent spam and bad-faith participation.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
the media loves stories about successful men, and pictures of attractive women.
maybe she didn't want to be named/photographed
Yes and in this story about a successful woman, they still centered the man.
Have you read the rules for this community?
They could've just showed a picture of the plane.
Yeah, but pictures of people get engagement. Social animal and what not.
Yeah I guess this is an engagement economy now, ugh I hate it!
It is, but I'm not sure that this is the best example of the new parts. Newspapers were running photos of people long before you or I were born, and drawings as early as 1806. Even absent a profit-driven late capitalist hellscape, a lot of people feel validated by attention.
This barely relates to the article and the obvious problem.
Sure, they provided a generic pilot image that may have been ai generated and some random small plane. But doing so communicates stereotypes and does not communicate anything of value. Hence they shouldn't have used this opportunity to push their stereotypes.
Also, this is a horror story and I would have rather not read it. But that's another issue. And I didn't notice the gender in writing but only skimmed the tweet. Hence harm was done. This isnt a story about empowerment after all but considers a pilot who is a woman a regular and usual occurrence. Or at least I did while reading.
There are no less than 5 references to her gender in the first tweet. Not disagreeing with you, but it's difficult to miss that the pilot was a woman.
Its difficult to miss it in the tweet. Its easy to miss it in the articles. In my quick glance, none of the headlines contained any gender information. Some ran the story before identifying the student. The CNN article, the one I read in its entirity, referred to the student by name once, and did not refer to her with pronouns, but referred to the pilot he/him pronouns twice.
The media framed this story around a man's suicide, rather than a story of a woman's unexpected solo flight. Both would be valid ways to tell the story, but its telling the publishers all went with the man's story version.
Their pronouns and placed at expected locations in the sentence. Hence I didn't read them. I am a weird one when it comes to that. You really need to point that out explicitly if you want me to get that.
Edit: also paying attention to tbe gender of pronouns in German is somewhat pointless since words can influence the Grammatic gender anyway. There is no they them after all.
Isn't it fortunate that the tweet was in English with a screen snapshot that was in English? Or was "LOL GERMAN" your goalpost moving?
No, but being a german I might perceive gendered pronouns differently compared to native Brits.
Oh, look! It is equally clear here that the student was a woman and the instructor was a man! It seems that you can't really hide behind German as an excuse, can you? Or did I mistranslate this badly? (I'm a bit rusty in German.)
Here is a little bit of a tip: if your grasp of a language is weak, perhaps you shouldn't comment on the clarity of speech of a native speaker of said language. It really isn't a good look. It's pretty much why I won't correct or criticize the grammar of French or Mandarin speakers because, well, my command of these is not strong enough to be certain.
You clearly didn't read what I wrote with enough attention to detail.
I did not argue that the bit of text didn't have the information, but that it was encoded only in pronouns and not subject of the post. And encoding gender in pronouns does not work in German. If you had used the correct translation for student which is Student it would have been less clear. Coed (Student with female pronouns) is the word for Studentin. You wouldn't translate Bäckerin as bakress, I sincerely hope.
May I politely ask why this has become a topic of conversation here? There's nothing in German in the post, no one is speaking German in the comments - why would the post have to cater to the way you read pronouns in German?
It doesn't. And I have no idea why they argue that way. I just said that I didn't read the pronouns as being gender specific. This might be to do with my nationality and hence warped perception of language.
I just said that I didn't read it as being gendered at first. And get attacked for it.
I have to admit I was a little confused when you first replied to me as well. Probably just a language barrier thing.
What I tried to say was that you don't need to read the pronouns in the post to understand the meaning. Hence I didn't. I don't know how to explain this in plain English.
Aaaahhhhh that makes more sense. Thanks for explaining it again