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To again improve an analogy: imagine making Pringles exclusively out of potatoes stolen from people's gardens and pantries, using all of those people's water supply to process them, then going "but why don't you like my Pringles?"
You'd have been better served to pick something like Nutella with the palm oil, I think. Huge destruction of natural resources including orangutan habitats. You've moved the goalposts here from your original argument that "people don't make it", but fine. More aptly for the analogy, people still like it even if you object, and the appeal to nature argument of it is fairly strong even though odds are low that it actually directly affects you.
The pantry raiding falls flat because, as everyone sailing the high seas will tell you, it's not stealing if you still have your potatoes at the end, right?
Ok so let's call it Nutella, exactly like it is now except there are tiny bits of shit mixed in (percieveable to the eye, nose and tongue) and we also shoot 10 orangutans every time you buy a jar. But this time "we are providing jobs to prop up the economy", so if you let our company fail the stock market tanks and we cause the next great depression. People could only be happy about that product, otherwise they must be trolls.
That imaginary Nutella is starting to sound a lot like this thread as you crash out. OP has provided a reasonable use and also true unpopular opinion.
If you think AI sucks for every application, good for you; I would disagree and different opinions are allowed. If you think the way AI has come about and been served up to us is morally questionable as well as outrageous in comparison to resources involved (water, money, electricity) I agree.
If you're going to argue "they stole our shit" I'm going to laugh at you for expecting privacy on the Internet, and then point to every argument anyone on Reddit or Lemmy has ever used before installing the arr suite.
Your opinion is well established, you don't need to take every comment to double down on it: OP likes background music nobody explicitly made, and I like not writing my own SQL queries 🤷.
I feel like you missed all the nuance, because my top notch analogies seem to be "crashing out", so let me break it down for you:
Ok so this is the delicious base, created by humans for humans. Artisanal, words, sounds and images that you can consume every day.
This is the AI part where it has mashed a bunch if existing stuff together based only on patterns and made something music-ish, with whatever it could scrape from wherever.
This is the part where you're right about stealing shit being totally fine, like Nestlé selling peoples drinking water (that I can only assume you are all for). Commerical LLMs both take people's private resources and also damage the resources of the rest of the planet, whatever you use them for. So maybe I should have said 100 orangutans to be more accurate.
This is a little joke I threw in about capitalism where big companies always say this to make any shitty thing they do seem worthwhile.
This is an evidence based assertion based on previous examples of forced bailouts for shitty businesses because they were propping up whole economies with their inflated values. Which can be directly compared to the current state of the AI bubble.
This is a little commentary on you and your "different opinions". You can't be ok with AI while recognising the impact. It's not actually like Nutella, which is a calorie dense and cheap food which people ignore the environmental impact of because it's a cheap and delicious product and they need to eat to live. Yeah you probably need it specifically but I can forgive people buying cheap food. Generative AI is not a necessity. It's a luxury product that provides literally nothing to keep anyone alive or advance anything of value.
And comparing piracy to LLM training is also a weak take. You can see with Disney strong arming companies that this is doing nothing to impact copyright law and you, as a private citizen, will still be arrested if you download books and try to sell them on as a new product. All it does is shift all of the wealth from individual creators to large corporations.
But you already know all this and I don't need to keep doubling down. I forgot.
Definitely crashing out. Go lay down.
Should've asked ChatGPT for a more thoughtful response than that.