Wow. Horrible take. Unpopular for a reason. Upvoted.
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I can't wrap my mind around this at all. Music is the result of people making music. If there is no artist, no perspective or feelings it's just sounds.
Sure I can't sing, so what I as an average person make could not even charitably be called music either, but that is not the point - I want to go to concerts and see bands play music, and want computers to do grunt work that people don't want to do, so that more of us can do better things.
Using an AI to make musical sound just undermines all that. Tech in music being wielded by humans, yes that is music (DJs) and if machines ever develop sentience I will call their sounds music, but not before.
Have my upvote.
When I say music I mean sounds that are intended to sound musical, or melodic or whatever. A kid banging bottoms of pots and kettles with wooden spoons counts as music in this definition. I'm describing a kind of sound.
The sounds AI is able to produce are in some cases such that I enjoy listening to. I'm not a music connoisseur, I'm just a person who likes hearing some sounds more than others. You likely define music differently as well as consume it on a whole different level and that's fine. I'm simply not that into music. I relate to food in a similar manner. It's fuel - if it also tastes good, let alone is healthy, then that's a bonus.
I simply view the gatekeeping and hating a bit silly.
This is a very good unpopular opinion. It's actually unpopular and outs the user as an AI bro who wouldn't know how to make a decent beat to save their life.
who wouldn’t know how to make a decent beat to save their life
That is true and also completely unrelated to the discussion.
It is related to the discussion because appreciation of media comes from a basic understanding of it. Not saying expertise here, but knowing what it takes to make something allows you to appreciate it.
In addition, it kind of cements the belief that people who like AI art and consider it the same as non-AI art tend to be devoid of artistic appreciation.
If that's the cartoon image that helps you to fit me into your "AI bro" category then by all means. Nothing for me to gain here even trying to convince you otherwise. I just don't see what you're hoping to achieve with this.
Not all posts here are discussions or arguments, they can just be a simple statement.
Feels more like insults - I just don't see the point.
Hey, I get it, you just have zero respect for the effort, creativity, imagination, or sacrifice that an artist has to put in to create a work thats any good. To you, art is merely a product. Who cares who made it, how it was made, or what it even means, or if there was any meaning at all.
I totally understand. I went to the store yesterday and they had this hand crafted chair made of high quality wood for sale for like $300. Fuck that! I'll just go buy a cheap plastic piece of garbage chair pumped out by the thousands in a Chinese factory. I mean it's just a chair, right? It has one job, who cares what it's made of. "Quality, Shmality!" I say.
I just wish more people would understand this, like I entered this fighting game tournament last month. But I'm really ass at Street Fighter, so instead I wrote this bot that would play the game for me so I'd win with double perfect every time. Can you belive they kicked me out for cheating? CHEATING! What kind of shit is that? I just used a helpful tool to totally do all the work for me as my only contribution was giving broad parameters while the computer program makes literally every other decision. The audacity of these people! Don't they understand this makes me a champion gamer?
That's an interesting cartoon caricature you crafted there. I just don't have any clue what it has to do with the topic at hand.
Or is it "BOOO!" that you're just trying to say here?
I'm just saying I agree with you 100%, and I wish more people would get it.
Like I went to this museum because I heard this painting (The Bona Pisa? Lona Misa? Idk, something like that) was worth like two billion dollars or some shit. But you know, I'm an artist too! So I had Chat GPT create the same image and printed it out, then went down to the museum. I mean if they like the first one so much then they should pay top dollar for a percise copy, right?
But Noooooo! They told me it was garbage and to gtfo! Can you believe that shit? I mean my painting was a pixel perfect copy of the original, so it makes sense that it should be the exact same thing, amirite? It's the end product that matters, right? I mean it looks exactly the same! I should be getting millions of dollars for this painting! What kind of bullshit this is that?
Fucking Luddities, right? I feel ya.
Have you just not spent any time making a playlist of good human made songs you can put on to listen to on the background?
I have but my playlists only consist of absolute bangers and I savour those. Those are the songs I listen to when I just want to listen to a good song. I don't want to overlisten them by casually playing them on the background.
Man this is the worst fucking take I've heard all week
Have my upvote
i’ll take that muzak/“average radio slop” isn’t bad. but is the energy involved really worth it, to just get muzak out of it?
I don't create it - I just consume.
Same here! I also just buy whatever stupid bullshit that somebody puts in front of my face. Why bother thinking about the content I consume? Fuck that, who has time? That mental energy is better put towards important shit like deciding which celebrity I'm gonna have Grok make naked pics of next, right?
I'm so glad there's someone else who understands!
There are several uses for music. For some of them, AI music like you pasted works well -- like if those were playing as background music in a restaurant there's no problem. You're not there to listen to the music.
But if you want to really listen to the music... you usually want to listen to old songs or then something totally new and interesting. Your links were none of those. It was sophisticated elevator music.
Then again, I don't see any reason why AI couldn't some day be able to compose something new and interesting. A lot of the music humans create is derivative. The spigot of really new stuff has been kinda dry since the 90s it seems to me.
jesus man, music - art - is about feeling something. what the fuck
Unsettling is a feeling of sorts
that is insightful.
Just sucks the ai learned it by stealing. Valid take though, I guess. It feels a lot like saying, "factory farming is great for me. All I care about is meat that tastes decent. That's it."
What actually sucks, imho, is that the only way to reach the target is to steal the stuff and (most importantly) not get caught until your product is too big to fail. Then later you can just throw some hundreds of investor millions at a lawsuit and continue business as usual.
Systems that guide towards stealing and buying off the courts are not great.
Lemmy showing again it can't handle any diverging opinions on ai, and moreover completely missing the point of this community.
While I don't personally share your opinion, I don't fault You for it. And I certainly agree that the output is getting better, just as it is for other generative areas like images and video. There will come a time when it will be impossible to distinguish unless explicitly stated by the creator. It's inevitable.
Ahh yes, we must accept every view point and opinion that goes against our rational thinking because someone thinks it's valid. I love when people argue that X is a hive mind when they show more instances of blindly believing what they're told.
Once again, the general populace can't handle someone saying that not ALL genocides are bad!! Eventually, everyone will be participating in genocides! It's inevitable!
AI is objectively terrible in every way for society. There are basically 2 redeeming qualities that only marginally improve on what we already have. Everything else is IRREDEEMABLY EVIL.
i will not entertain arguments otherwise because those people are objectively STUPID.
Whatever helps you cope. Be well.
Kevin Macleod already shared this sentiment and published AI generated and AI assisted tracks as well.
Kind of interesting considering he's the king of modern royalty free music.
It violates my sense of decency that you think a communicative medium can be replaced by something that can't communicate.
... You get a upvote but I'll be mad the entire time doing it
I hate every sentence I just read. Take the upvote. AI music is the music for people who say they like all kinds of music. Music with no taste. Its like saying you could cook a potato a million ways but your favorite is raw.
Edit: since the music you posted is a pale imitation of trip hop please listen to something with some artistic value that might make you feel something.