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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s certainly an analogy alright…

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Let me explain why this analogy is utter shit.

First off like Wren made clear, some people have dietary restrictions that make consuming meat an essential part of them living a healthy life.

But there is far more to it than just that. There are religious, ethical consumption, and animal welfare components that should be examined before making an uninformed statement like that.

So let’s look at the animal welfare side of things. All ecosystems are made up of a variety of different species, everything from bacteria, fungi, plants, animals, and more make up pieces of an ecosystem. Looking more specifically at the animal kingdom there are herbivores, carnivores, and omnivores. Within this world there are predators and apex predators, who hunt and consume other animals to fulfill their own dietary needs. Sadly within some of these ecosystems predators and apex predators have been killed off by humans for one reason or another. Thus leading to ecosystem collapse as the species that were feed on over consume resources and overpopulated.

One way of curbing this issue is to reintroduce predators or for humans to fill that role. In plenty of areas humans keep an invaluable check on the wildlife populations by hunting and eating the animals. Because if the animal has to be killed to maintain a stable population, then why let good meat that can go to feeding other animals or people be let go to waste? But under what you have said you would argue that this is unethical and immoral.

Then there is livestock who are raised in a spacious farm, given a healthy diet and killed in as ethical a manner as possible. This meat is not produced on a factory farm but with real care given to the animals involved.

Lastly, we should look at the spiritual side of things. Where we shouldn’t be forgetting how in some cultures hunting and the consumption of meat plays a large role. Specifically in Native American (I know this term in loaded in its own right but there is no agreed upon term for the indigenous peoples) cultures hunting deer is a critical aspect of how men are supposed to be. And meat plays a part in their traditional food. So to blindly label meat and the consumption of it as bad, takes on a very racist undertone. It also ropes in the euro-centric thinking that led in large part to the destruction of these cultures in the first place.

And let me cut you off right there, no. There was no carve outs for any of these reasons in the original post. Not a single one, it was intentionally made to make anyone who eats meat under any circumstances feel bad. As well as highjack the conversation on feminism and feminist thinking, and to convert into a way to bash other people who are different.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thanks for that.

You make a fantastic point with indigenous cultures as well, since a good portion of the meat I get is hunted deer.

Some tribes are dependent on hunted meat and the salmon run, particularly in fly-in reserves in the north where fruit and vegetables cost a small fortune and the growing season is short. It's important to keep these people in mind when disparaging eating meat.

Additionally, I recall having to cook for a camp in northern alberta one summer where the vegans cost more to feed than the meat-eaters, so I relied heavily on grains and beans. By calorie density, I wouldn't have had the space to cold-store all the fruit and veg I'd need if the whole camp was vegan. The kitchen already ran off a gas generator that burned day and night.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I’m sorry you have to deal with people like that, it’s not fair anyone.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, not all meat eaters! All diets matter!

edit to explain: The unfathomable and pointless violence that the meat industry engages in is normalized, just like the violence of patriarchy and white supremacy. Centering the small number of edge cases where these relations do not hold in a conversation about the mass violence of the dominant system is an attempt to rob the powerless of a voice.

You are right that the intersection of carnitarian minority cultures and the suffering of the animals they consume in the process is vulnerable, like an "all lives matter" protester is right that a white person's life matters too. If your only concern is cultural preservation then you're using culture as an excuse for violence against non-humans.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look I get hating the meat industry, I despise factory farming too. It’s a brutal, and vile industry that needs to be regulated. But just blanket blaming everyone who consumes meat, and not giving them even a second of your time to understand why. Is. Just. Stupid.

Just cause you don’t eat meat, does not give you the right to blame others for doing so. I respect people who can and do eat vegan or vegetarian. My mom is one of those people, however the difference is; she does not go out of her way to bully and belittle others for not making the same decision. She’s an actual adult about it.

Like I already said, which it seems you never even read or just choose to ignore since it defeats your argument, some cultures eating meat is an aspect of it. Hunting animals is an aspect of their culture and cultural practices. We should not be saying their entire culture is evil because of that, and that they should abandon it since that is a racist and culturally insensitive.

Nor should we look down on people hunting animals in cases where that helps keep the population stable. By doing so we keep prey animals from over populating, eating up all the available resources, leading to their lives being worse. Eating the meat that results from this, is ethical since less animals suffer because of the selective culling of the population.

Or forbid someone, other than you, have a different diet that supports their health. Like another person wanting to live a happy and healthy life is the end of the world because their diet contains meat.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

As for the whole “edge case” argument…

Are millions of people whose cultures have ties to eating meat an edge case? Do they and their lifestyles not deserve consideration? Do other people not matter?

And does managing the ecosystem not matter either? Do animals not matter? Cause if we full stop on responsible hunting and fishing billions of animals and plants will suffer needlessly.

Just like we don’t use napalm to trim a hedge, we shouldn’t blame everyone without thinking about all the possible consequences. It’s not fun but it’s the best way to not cause far more needless suffering.

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

I used logistics and food availability as an argument but I don't see you replying to me.