Usually I am sympathetic towards people losing their jobs. However, that goes out the window when their government is hostile and I am watching family struggle due to the trade war.

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

voting and sitting out are not the same

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Voting third party in the general is at best sitting it out, at worst voting for the Republican, but you know that.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Republicans are part of the two-party duopoly. voting for a so-called third party is not voting for either of those parties.

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's fptp, third parties are fundamentally nonviable in the overwhelming majority of places. It is functionally impossible for a third party to win the presidency. Due to gerrymandering and the spoiler effect most third party votes help Republicans get elected. Vote for Dems oyn the general and vote for the most progressive candidates available in the primaries. That's the only actual way in the current political system to effect progressive change at the federal level, by tea partying the Dems leftward. Anything else gets republicans elected. But on the other hand the fascism has come too far for elections to fix it any more, so there you go.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is functionally impossible for a third party to win the presidency.

not with that attitude.

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not in the US. Attitude is irrelevant. You either pull the democratic party left by participating in primaries or you help elect Republicans. There are literally no other possibilities.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago

voting for someone who is not a republican is voting against republicans

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the only thing that helps elect republicans are votes for republicans. literally every other thing, including abstaining, does not help them.

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh so you're just engaging in bad faith or are incredibly ignorant of US civics. Either way you've got nothing productive to add to a conversation. Fuck off.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

your accusation of bad faith is itself bad faith

[–] edible_funk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck off troll.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

calling me names doesn't change the truth

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The people who voted for the Dumpster at least managed to take the most basic, simple first step in starting to fulfill their civic duty. I don't know if I can bring myself to laud that, but I've certainly no credit to award those who didn't even vote at all.

If so much as 10% of the nation is engaged and has so much as a spark of competence yet cannot bear to vote Democrat, where did all the 3rd-party and off-ballot votes go? Why are those still practically a rounding error, hovering around 2% every year but 2016?

Those who didn't vote at all ought to feel the most shame, because the laziness of abdicating all personal responsibility doesn't offer half the emotional shielding that idiocy does.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm unsure how to feel about the non-voters. Im in UK and didnt vote in the Brexit thing, because I didn't understand nearly enough of the rules or regulations and was being sent contradictory pamphlets every day.

I dont know what it looked like inside the US leading up to the election, so maybe it didnt seem as easily "maybe good vs definitely evil" as it did from the outside.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

That reason might have flown in the first Trump election. Not so much the second one.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago

Why are those still practically a rounding error, hovering around 2% every year but 2016?

who knows? could be that the media ices out all other parties. could be that political operatives have been vote-shaming and spreading a myth about its inefficacy.