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[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 197 points 20 hours ago

granted limited access to software that can be revoked at any moment.

If it is that, then it may not be called a purchase. Simple.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 130 points 20 hours ago

Turns out I was granting limited access to my money that can be revoked at any moment.

[-] arules@retrofed.com 0 points 9 hours ago

threadiverse is about to learn what tickets are🤦‍♀️

[-] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Please don't cake it the threadaverse

[-] EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip 71 points 20 hours ago

It should be called renting (or something similar). But then, that would likely mean an expectation of a lower price tag and they wouldn’t want that. Who would rent a game for $80? Even if the rental is a decade or longer. Probably people out there that would and currently do this.

[-] thenoirwolfess@fedinsfw.app 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Silly consumer. The subscription is for the software's lifetime, not yours.

[-] EliteCloneMike@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago

🤣 Well I’m a vampire so jokes on them.

[-] Sickday@kbin.earth 54 points 20 hours ago

I would agree, but most leases have stipulations that restrict voiding the contract "at any moment". You have to do something to violate the lease agreement most times so this is even worse than renting.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago

But then, that would likely mean an expectation of a lower price tag and they wouldn’t want that.

In other words, they want to commit fraud with impunity. Because that's what lying about the difference between a sale and a rental is: fraud on Sony's part.

[-] Flower@sh.itjust.works 20 points 19 hours ago

It should just be called License. Put that there instead of the buy button. And clearly visible the minimum expiration date for the license. Reserve the buy button for actual perpetual licenses where not having access to the licensed good is a breach of contract good for money back.

[-] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 17 points 19 hours ago

Licenses are a copyright concept, but this isn't a copyright issue. You're buying a copy of a game, and you should own the copy after the purchase (which of course, means the company who sold it to you shouldn't be able to revoke your access at will). That's the part that sony is apparently not willing to do. But copyright-wise, it would be a license either way, so I don't think it's a good idea to confuse people with only tangentially related concepts here.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 8 points 19 hours ago

licenses are a very IT central idea.

I have to buy licenses of Windows, Acrobat, etc.... It lines up with what Sony is trying to say too

[-] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 10 points 18 hours ago

licenses are a very IT central idea.

No, that's just the implementation you're most familiar with. Licenses are a copyright idea that IT adopted and made digital. Every physical movie and game you own also comes with a license that authorizes your retail use of it, but forbids your commercial use of it. You can't rent your copy of Shrek out to people, nor can you charge admission to people to watch Shrek at your house, nor are you allowed to make copies of your Shrek DVD and sell them, for example.

[-] LaggyKar@programming.dev 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Care to back that up? You wouldn't need a license to do something that copyright laws already allow you to do on their own. For example, making additional copies for your own personal use is perfectly legal, if allowed depends on your local fair use or private copying exemption law (provided you do it without circumventing DRM, e.g. via the analog hole), even though of course the movie studio wouldn't give you a license for that.

Of course, DRM is the real issue here, as due to anti-circumvention the movie industry controls who can legally make players for movies on DVD/Blu-Ray (unlike on VHS and CD).

You can’t rent your copy of Shrek out to people

That's literally how Netflix got started.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 3 points 16 hours ago

copyright(n.) c. 1729, "the exclusive right to make and sell copies of an intellectual production,"

license(v.) c. 1400, "grant formal authorization to do what would be illegal to do without it,"

Yeah… I don’t think you are right about that…

[-] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 1 points 16 hours ago

I don't really see what that has to do with what I said? Unless you are saying that licenses exist for other things than copyright (in response to “licenses are a copyright concept”). That's definitely true, I oversimplified to make my point, but I'm also pretty sure that copyright licenses are the only kind of license that are relevant here in the first place.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

Copyrights are a type of license not the other way around.

[-] mschae@discuss.mschae23.de 2 points 16 hours ago

Copyrights are rights. A license grants others (parts of) that right. A copyright isn't a license.

[-] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 3 points 18 hours ago

Physical media also comes with a license.

[-] Malica@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago

Rent. It's rent.

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