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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Who are the real barbarians?

Uh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

trump and Iran are both evil, but Iran isn't ran by idiots. They understand the game.

Like in most conflicts, both sides can be shitty. But Iran makes what trump is doing with ICE like nothing. They're both evil and shouldn't be in power, but Iran's government has killed looooads more Iranians than trump.

[-] kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I wonder what Iran would be like if it still had its democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated a coup in 1953 that installed the Shah for the crime of nationalizing their oil industry. Iran was on a path to democracy and the US undid that and installed an authoritarian leader.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Obviously way better...

But that's not whose been running Iran?

Like, America would be a lot better off if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been elected too.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

Right, but the people running Iran right now are the result of the US interfering explicitly to combat Iran's socialization of their oil. Which reflexively led to the Iranian Revolution and the current Islamic Republic. The current regime would not exist without US interference. Al Gore and Bernie Sanders suffered domestic interference, not foreign.

[-] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

You could also say Iran's pro-democratic people and socialists suffered a little bit of 'domestic intereference' when the islamists started killing them off after the revolution

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

A downstream effect, but you're absolutely right

[-] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 9 points 1 day ago

futuristicworld.jpg

[-] guy@piefed.social -5 points 1 day ago

We will never know and that's not the reality of today. Useless to speculate about, the regime can convert to democracy and stop oppressing its citizens any day they want, but they won't.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They tried that already. Where did it get them?

If you think the US would lay off the attacks at all if Iran was more democratic, you're delusional. The last thing the US wants is for it's prospective resource colonies to be democratic. Because democracies tend to insist on getting a fair deal for their resources so they can reinvest the money on development. Far better to install a military dictatorship that depends on foreign backing and in turn suppresses the people into compliance, while the colonizer steals their resources. Which is exactly the system the US installed in Iran and kept around for decades.

At this point, the US mostly just wants Iranians to suffer (assuming subjugating them again isn't on the table), because they had the audacity to overthrow their puppet and they don't want any other colonies getting any ideas.

[-] Akh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I am not sure you want to go down this road, the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

[-] kingofras@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

Of course things are terrible inside Iran, especially for women. However. This is about each country’s military strategy.

If you want to whataboutism into “but look at their human rights for their own people”, I will gladly send you here and there for a moment of pause and reflection.

And yes Iran is strategecally far superior in the way they are playing this, but if you think that through, you will understand that Donny and Benji are providing a perfect external threat to Iran, bolstering the perceived need for a ‘protector’ in the from of the IRG.

This zionist war is helping Iran to keep it’s status quo, rather than letting the people continue the beginnings of a groundswell movement which was beginning to take place right before the war.

Your wiki article far from unbiased, and you might want to take into account who’s been interfering for over half a century tool.

TLDR; don’t compare a theocracy vs a (kleptocracy + theocracy) and say one is better than the other. Go print a newspaper in Jerusalem with FREE PALESTINE as the headline, or go walk around freely as a hispanic looking person in any democratic state in the US.

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered "US soil."

Do you expect a country defending itself against attack to travel around the world to attack instead of using those resources defensively?

[-] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

They very much are not, at least not by default. That's typically reserved for embassies and consulates. Many foreign bases remain under host nation control.

[-] guy@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered "US soil."

You know they meant the US proper.

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