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[-] Rothe@piefed.social 77 points 1 day ago

Your local grocery store is more profitable than OpenAI. In fact you are more profitable than OpenAI.

OpenAI owes hundreds of billions of dollars, with a revenue a fraction of that. They will never become profitable.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They will never become profitable.

If you look at OpenAI as a single, independent, private company then they appear unprofitable. But when you look at them as a means of laundering Pentagon money and other federal contracts into straw purchases for NVIDIA and Oracle, they are immensely profitable.

AI is a Loss Leader. It props up the production and sale of hardware, which has been fruitful for its partners, its investors, and the economy as a whole. It is a digital form of induced demand in so far as new construction creates a "virtuous" cycle of increasing consumption, as more and more of the business and public sector is dragged into its orbit.

The end-game for OpenAI is to have a captured market of businesses and government institutions. Whole sectors of the economy devoid of human knowledge workers who are hopelessly addicted to AI Agent processes, because nobody managing the companies actually know what these agents are doing anymore. At this point, Altman and Amodei can charge whatever they damned well please for token traffic, because there's no bureaucracy capable of competing with them.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago

Most of the money getting funneled to Nvidia came from them in the first place. That's why they're one of the chatbot's biggest cheerleaders.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Most of the money getting funneled to Nvidia came from them in the first place.

NVIDIA's not getting most of its money from OpenAI. OpenAI doesn't really buy anything from NVIDIA. They buy rack space from Oracle, which then builds out new datacenters with NVIDIA chipsets. And Oracle's primary revenue stream is from its business Cloud Services, of which OpenAI is a small fraction.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

This would make sense if they were the only game in town , but they very much…aren’t.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Keeping foreign technology out of the reach of US consumers has been a big part of Trump/Biden/Trump-Era tech policy.

And as hardware prices skyrocket, access to compute approaches a monopoly position.

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

The Weimar Republic was more profitable... well no, maybe not. But you get the sentiment.

[-] brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

They made trillions of marks, so yes they were extremely profitable.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I like that they never lost their gusto with the designs of the bills lol

Like they had to know that their currency was basically dead, yet they still made sure that those 100 billion Mark notes looked classy as fuck.

If/when the modern US makes it to this point, I can't imagine them putting all that much effort into making our $100 billion dollar bills look cool.

They'll probably have fucking Steve Bannon's face on them.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

The person designing them had to make them pretty because they knew they were going to be paid in them

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean, you joke. But Germany pivoted out of the Great Depression far faster than its European peers precisely because they weren't afraid to print a bunch of money and pay people to do things.

The Fascists inherited one of the only recovering economies in Europe by the time they took power in 1932. And when they assumed office, they brought investment from the Americans overseas (who were having their own fascist turn), because they were willing to purge or enslave local populations, tear down neighborhoods, and build up whatever capital Standard Oil, IBM, and Ford Motor Company asked of them.

On the opposite side of the Atlantic and on the other side of the Urals, progressive liberals and Soviet communists were trying out a leftist mirror of this strategy. They were using the levers of the state to mobilize the masses of unemployed labor into productive capital improvements for the benefit of the public at-large. So the US, Germany, Japan, and the USSR all rapidly emerged out of the '29 crash into a booming 1930s economy. Meanwhile, England and France and much of Latin America and North Africa languished under artificial constraints of state-capitalism.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

Why does that feel forebodingly familiar

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I mean, we'll jump to 1930s on reflex. But this is a pattern that's repeated itself internationally, from Apartheid South Africa to the juntas in the Pacific Rim to Fascists in Argentina and Chile.

Economy shits itself. Social Democrats come in to deliver milquetoast reforms. The economy recovers somewhat, but never enough to actually relieve the social pressures of the moment. And then the democratic system starts vomiting up radical candidates of all stripes, while bourgeois capital attempts to ride the tiger into the next full recovery and/or national emergency.

The wheel of fortune doesn't always land on Fascism. But it's definitely a possibility.

[-] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

It seems like we're plunging into fascism, but maybe this upcoming midterms will (not be rigged and) prove to be an effective backlash to the US' reactionary coup. What do you figure the odds are we pull out of this and say, "huh actually let's try that FDR thing instead of this Nazi shit"?

[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 34 minutes ago

Considering the overwhelming support among Democratic politicians and party insiders for fascist collaboration, the odds are probably low.

[-] straussbelial@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Revenue? ಠ_ಠ

[-] cRazi_man@europe.pub -1 points 1 day ago

you are more profitable than OpenAI

I've got mortgage debt though.

[-] ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago

Waaaaaay less than OpwnAI though

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

See, you'd think people would do more research when lending billions for LLMs than when lending a dollar for a cardboard box.

[-] trebach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

They're hoping it pays off in the long run, or at least long enough for them to go public and sell their shares at a profit while pension funds and mutual funds buy a crashing asset.

you won't generate a 1,000x return on investment, AI could if it becomes AGI somehow. It's like gambling but nobody knows the odds and the payout is big enough that it's almost worth it to try without knowing the odds.

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