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Russia is engaged in a war with a near peer, Israel is committing an extermination campaign on Palestine using stolen land. I have no love for Putin, reactionary nationalist that he is, but to equate the Russo-Ukrainian war with the genocide of Palestine is to make a mockery of genocide. Further, such a blanket statement erases the plight of the people of the Donbass region, who have been at war with Kiev since 2014 and who want to join the Russian Federation. The Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics have just as much a right to self-determination as Palestinians do.
Condemn Putin all you want, I have no love for him as I said. Hang him if you will. But don't undermine the actual plight of the many decades of genocide committed against the Palestinian people to "own the tankies." You have a history of undermining the plight of Palestinians, this isn't a new development for you, it's a repeated pattern.
Agreeing makes no assertions as to the relative severity of the genocide (for there is of course always a worse genocide capable of being perpetrated); it simply agrees that both are war criminals who should be prosecuted relative to their stated War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
Seeing you devolve into Pro-Kremlin propaganda as any good Vatnik does, I am not surprised in the slightest. Defending traitors of the Donbass like one would the Confederacy of the US Civil War is equally atrocious. I wonder if you could even acknowledge that MH17 was brought down by a Russian BUK.
So in more ways than one, you revealed your hand in this comment.
Thus neutral audience take note as this individual is a case-in-point: They could not simply say "Yes."
Edit: Fun little scavenger-hunt. Can anyone spot the other subtlety revealing their Russo-bias?
Ukraine is not being subject to genocide. It is a peer-near peer war. The genocide in Palestine is a mass extermination campaign. To the extent that Putin should be tried for war crimes, so should Zelensky and the government in Kiev, who have had allegations of war crimes independently investigated since 2014 when the Ukrainian Civil War began. Zelensky himself won his presidency in 2019 on the basis of downscaling the war, but instead continued pressing forward.
As for the struggle of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, equating them to the slavers of the Confederacy is enormously farcical. The people of the DPR and LPR seceded not to commit slavery, but because the president they popularly supported was coup'd by the Bandera-upholding factions in the Euromaidan coup.
The people of the Donbass speak Russian at higher degrees than most of the rest of Ukraine, and thus the language laws restricting Russian also facilitated the decision to leave. The people of the Donbass have the right to self-determination, just like the people of Palestine. The Confederacy had no such right because they were separating in order to continue slavery, not because they were escaping instability and the suppression of the language they spoke.
The "neutral audience," which does not exist as nobody is truly neutral, can see plainly how you undermine the plight of Palestinians and the people of the Donbass region plainly.
^ This is baseless Pro-Kremlin misinformation and revisionist history that attempts to justify the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian land. Genocides can indeed be perpetrated between "peers" (though it's hilarious that there was once a point Ruzzia didn't consider them to be a peer, hence the 3 day SMO (LOL!). So here this sadistic genocide-endorser condones the relentless strikes of civilian cities and death of Ukrainian children just the same, all of which could stop if Ruzzia simply left Ukraine's sovereign land, including Donbas and Crimea.
Stop simping for dictators.
Slava Ukraini
Free Palestine
See? That easy.
What did I say that is baseless? Be very specific. Is it the fact that Russian is spoken at higher rates in the Donbass?
Or is it that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk seceded in 2014, in response to Euromaidan?
Or, perhaps, is it that Ukraine is also guilty of targeting civilians in Russia, not to speak of the Donbass region?
Meanwhile, even the minimum confirmed deaths of Palestinians are multiple times the confirmed deaths of Ukrainian civilians, despite Ukraine being in an active war for a year longer.
I'm not here to justify anything. I am here to point out your trivialization of genocide in Palestine and your disregard for the people of the Donbass region. When you hurl allegations of genocide as though they are meaningless, you make light of the most widely documented and understood ongoing genocide in the world. Standing up for Palestine and taking an accurate view against blatant undermining of their plight is not "pro-Kremlin." I already said you could hang Putin, he's a reactionary nationalist.
Saying "free Palestine" is hypocritical when you've said this zinger:
Just as you call Donetsk and Luhansk "traitors," you also cape for settler-colonialism and give Israel a free pass. This is pure liberal Zionism, both-sidesing a genocide. This is further driven home by the fact that only 4 countries internationally recognize genocide committed by Russia:
While the vast majority of the world recognizes the genocide in Palestine:
None of this is "pro-Kremlin." Above all, I stand with the people of Palestine, as well as those in the Donbass, in their struggles for self-determination, as is in line with Marxism-Leninism.
Irrelevant copy-pasta aside that in no way shape or form undermines or refutes a modicum of my points, why didn't you just say yes?
Also weird one thinks invading and bombing Kyiv children is okay. As if UK could invade USA if suddenly parts of new England became sympathetic to England again hahahaha!
There's no copypasta, and I refuted every one of your points. I also backed up every one of my points, referencing purely western, pro-Ukrainian sources. You dodged every single point of mine, and regularly accuse communists of being paid agitators, bots, or sockpuppets, rather than actually engage with the points at hand. All of this to defend Israel and the west.
I never justified any bombing of children either, this is just blood libel. The scale isn't "totally okay" vs. "Genocide," this is a cartoonishly black and white view of the world.
Please list where you refuted my points; link them directly instead of gish-gallop spam.
Indeed, it is Genocide vs. Genocide. Splitting hairs in between reveals your apologist rhetoric. What's cartoonish is endlessly droning on -- just like a zionist -- how your preferred Genocide is somehow justifiable because some people are... Sympathetic to Russia and could just move there if they wanted? Yikes!
Meanwhile you have me wondering if you believe the French should invade parts of Canada where French is spoken more, hahahahahah! Talk about cartoonish.
I refuted them right here, which you call "gish-gallop" and "copy-pasta." The overwhelming majority of the world does not believe there is genocide in Ukraine, while the overwhelming majority of the world understands that there is genocide in Palestine. You have never once backed up your fringe claims, and as a consequence have continuously undermined the Palestinian genocide and the struggle for self-determination in the Donbass. This is incredibly bad-faith on your part.
Nope, not seeing it, sorry. I already highlighted some blatant fallacies within your copy-pasta spam that didn't settle with me, so repeatedly linking to that comment isn't going to convince me.
If your goal here is to persuade (otherwise, what else would it be?), then you're utterly failing.
Keep reviewing my modlog; maybe you'll learn some things. Lots of innocent civilians live in Israel; that is independent of being zionist and independent of condoning genocide. Just as I wouldn't presume upon every Palestinian being sympathetic to the war criminals of Hamas who raped and murdered children on October 7th -- right?
Now I'll wait for you to justify France invading Canada because French is spoken in certain regions more, lol. Downright hilarious one thought this somehow justified leveling of Mariupol Theater; the rape of bucha; the relentless bombings of cities who most certainly did not vote for or support Russia let alone speak Russian lol.
Slava Ukraini
Free Palestine
Can't be for one without the other, lest one is a hypocrite.
You highlighted no fallacies whatsoever, nor have you provided any evidence for any of your claims thus far. Instead, you repeat hasbara, considering that the UN understands that no independent investigations verified sexual assault was weaponized on October 7the. Israel is a genocidal settler-colony, it isn't a state that can continue to exist. Anyone living in Israel has a duty to oppose the state of Israel and liberate Palestine.
Then, you hypocritically provide gish-gallop as a cover for your false compassion to Quebec and France. The Donhass region was embroiled in a civil war against Kiev for 8 years before Russia joined the Ukrainian Civil War, escalating it to the Russo-Ukrainian War. Quebec is not at war with Toronto, nor did Toronto have a coup where Quebec's supported president was ousted. Israeli-Ukrainian millitary cooperation is also well-documented. This explains your insistence that Netanyahu is the only problem, and that Israel itself as a settler-colony that only exists on genocide is fine as an entity if it had a more progressive Zionist government.
Look, you replied to me when I was commenting to another more rational user. Your methods of persuasion are failing miserably. Please, change strategies. Last chance, buddy!
(Moreover, if any neutral reader to this thread has questions or inquiries, please let me know! I will gleefully engage in good faith with anyone who isn't spouting Pro-Kremlin autocratic propaganda).
For fun, I'll dismantle one:
UN: "Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks, Senior UN Official Tells Security Council"
Slava Ukraini
Free Palestine
Can't be for one without the other, lest one is a hypocrite.
No idea what you're referring to, considering you only have downvotes in this thread and 0 upvotes. Demonstrably, my persuasion has been more effective, considering I have cited every major claim I've made, while you've dodged every single argument I've presented.
Naturally, one cannot presume the audience is neutral by upvotes/downvotes alone; for as I said, all these down-votes may very well just be sock-puppet accounts or biased Vatniks just the same. Silly one would ever presume up/down-vote ratio is some legitimate indication of persuasion in an unverifiable audience pool. "Cartoonish," as you say, really.
But I'm sorry but your final chance has been..... D-D-DENIED.
Alright, after seeing this piss -poor attempt of yours to write anything of substance, dont bother replying to my other comment, you're clearly incapable.
Oh don't worry, sweetheart.
Had no intention to rehash this cognitive dissonance that has long been debunked. After all, capability is not the issue; it's getting past the fundamentalist zealotry that clouds better judgement.
I don't appreciate the sexist condecention
Well, I'm glad you've at least managed to gain some introspection
What, a male can't be a sweetheart? Now that's sexist.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/sweetheart
Condescension*, by the way.
You engaged in ableism, calling me "incapable" earlier. Yikes!
Sure, lets pretend you didnt mean it with that connotation.
Right... So is this really the level of conversation where you feel the most comfortable? Must be, since you insist to drag it down to here.
It didn't. Let's pretend you didn't know and make a blind assumption. I'll admit playful condescension; but not the sexism. After all I'm not maga. I'm no fan of lies either.
What? You went there. Sexism bad when I allegedly do it, but ableism is okay when you do it? You dragged us both here.
But maybe we can find agreement by going back to simple:
Agreed?
I really don't understand why you prefer this to actual conversation. You seem to care so much until the very moment anyone engages and then youre just... A puddle of clichéed disappointments
I truly thought this would be us coming to a mutual agreement for once! I didn't think saying "Agreed!" to that would be all that difficult!
Alas, I see you're banned so until next account... ?
In the meantime:
Edit: If this is at all controversial for you, then know you're an authoritarian bootlicker.
The utter lack of any upvotes means you have no supporters here. Simple as that.