Source https://lemmy.zip/post/72029200/29026430
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"Silencing / censoring" by asking that people merely block the propaganda instance via their personal block lists?
Yeah, that’s fine - but this just seems a bit like brigading.
If a person makes their own mind up, one way or another, good for them.
Brigading is weirdly natural when its against something stupid, harmful or problematic. Its only problematic when its being driven by bad faith or lies. Which is why its frequently against many groups rules. Because its hard to say when the person making the call to action is acting in good or bad faith.
But if it happens entirely naturally with out a centralized call to action its rarely problematic. Humans are generally really good at protecting themselves from problems. They are just shit at sorting truth from lie in group settings.
So its a hard balancing act.
The post is evidence to help them make their mind up. It's not like the OP can block anyone for that person.
Yeah, whilst trying to paint an entire instance broadly with a single brush…
I pop over to .ml for a few communities most days - never discussed anything political whilst there and had a jolly time.
My fediverse experience would be lessened via a blanket defederation / instance blocking.
To use an extreme, i can go into a nazi bar and have a great time, drink some beers and play pool. As long as i don't bring up their problematic politics or world views.
People even the worse of people can be fantastic to hang out with. Doesn't make them good people.
It's why you should never judge someone from first appearances. We are all human, and humans by default get along really well. Its the opinions, politics and other factors beyond the first appearances that cause problems.
So by your logic as long as we just ignore they racism, hate, and problematic politics and instance policies then the instance has no issues.
When their admins routinely push propaganda, ban users and delete content just based on their political disagreements and contrary to their own written rules (as thoroughly documented in this very community), it's much closer to the kind of thing you led with in your comment here. It wouldn't be excessive to want to stay away from the whole instance based on that.
Yeah, I get all that. But it’s opinion… I prefer to hear what everybody has to say, evaluate the source and then process what is said - and possibly why.
I get other people are different and just want to mute etc, nay bother.
I just don’t like people actively calling for a boycott. If you’re a functioning adult, pop over, have a look, maybe keep your mouth shut until you get the feel of the instance - and then make a decision…
it just seems a bit pitch forks and lanterns against the Bwci under the bridge.
(Plus it seems a bit weird to try and drive a wedge and foster resentment against where the devs of Lemmy be.)
The devs of lemmy are a bunch of racist twats... If your sucking up to the devs just because they are the devs then your just excusing hate speak because of hero worship.
Which in and of it self is extremely problematic. You may want to step back and think twice on why you hold that opinion.
I was gonna reply to some of your numerous messages - but this one takes the piss.
“Sucking Up”? Seriously - are you 5?
How I was brought up is if someone does something for you that is of no charge and you benefit from it - you at least say thanks, even if you don’t like the cunt.
If we can boycott Israel and totalitarian regimes and amoral corporations, we can boycott lemmy.ml
We can also boycott the US… whilst still talking to its citizens.
At this point you are just contradicting yourself and probably trolling.
Or maybe I’m just a random adult human who, shock horror, holds different opinions to you…
You literally said we shouldn't boycott people and things and then suggested boycotting the US. Make up your mind.
No, I was pointing out that you can boycott that country whilst acknowledging that not everybody who lives there wants complete fascista totalitarianism to wipe out everything that ain’t white and straight and Christian… and therefore keeping in touch with those folks is decent.
Sorry, perhaps I worded it poorly.
No you worded it perfectly fine. Unless he doesn't understand what an ellipses is or context.
You will get no one to like .ml here. Don't waste your effort.
no don’t you get it? their memes are cool! we can just ignore everything else and talk about memes!
the fediverse will die if we don’t share memes with the tankies!!!!
Don’t want them to like it, just acknowledge the possibility that it is a collection of individual humans that vary greatly in view rather than a single entity. Being on .ml shouldn’t automatically preclude you from being part of a bigger thing.
Apparently nuance is dead and everything is black and white, the gray scale has disappeared?
You are always free to walk out of the nazi bar if you don't like being called a nazi. Nothing is stopping you from joining a different instance. Theres hundreds of them after all.
Go join a LGBTQ furry instance and no ones going to think your a tankie at first glance.