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Simon Pegg on the Cornell Rapists
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This post has nothing to do with hating men and everything to do with figuring out how we reduce rape.
I probably shouldn't have commented in the first place but here we are.
I get the sentiment here and truly understand this posts intent and meaning and the message behind it but the problem is the type of man that would do these horrible things is gonna completely ignore it. All it really does is make young boys think all women hate them just for existing which drives them towards the very men who do these things because they don't treat them like the scum of the earth just for existing.
I don't have a solution to the problem. Tbh I'm kind of a misanthrope and see humanity as a whole as a lost cause in the first place. But I can tell you from personal experience that constantly hearing about all men being trash does nothing but cause men to hate women and want to do things that hurt them as a result.
You can teach your sons how to be good people without giving them trauma by constantly telling them they're inherently evil just because they have a penis.
It's so odd. My upbringing turned me into a people pleaser for too long. I was 14 and giving my drunk step father life advice/therapy, of course to which idk. I was 14, and trying to help. He did make me hate myself, but, I knew women werent evil, and it was a "him" problem.
Honestly, I knew my family was messed up because of shows like Full House, Family Matters, and Fresh Prince. Media, in this age, is the only connection I can make, how I survived this wrath without "pilling" myself into some complex. I of course have had complexes to work through over the years, but never did I want to hurt others based on my hurt inside. I hurt inside, I wanted to give out kindness. I dont know why I went this way, and others go the opposite. Them shows in early childhood modeled how a "normal" family works.. I guess? I took it seriously at that age, to be morally upstanding, even as everyone around me was grey at best.
I too a bit of a misanthrope, lately anyway, but I have a son. It comes down to parents needing to be emotionally ready to teach thier kids, and lead by example. idk, i dont have answers, but I appreciate your honesty here.
No one is advocating for hating all men and boys here. The people in here pushing that women hate all men are being disingenuous as fuck and focusing the conversation on soothing men’s feelings instead of actually talking about the issue of rape.
Except this whole post is about how women say "all men" and men refuting that.
Violence against women is a serious problem. Rape, murder, physical/emotional torture. They all exist and it's abhorrent in every sense.
As I've said before, teach your sons how to be good people but stop putting your trauma on them. A mother telling her son all the bad things men have done to her is one thing. A mother telling her son that all men are evil is completely different.
I'm not trying to take away from the fact that a lot of men raise their sons this way. I hate those men with a burning passion. I'm just saying that all these posts and messages and shit aren't helping, and in a lot of cases are actually making things worse, because the type of man that would do these things isn't gonna listen and the type of man that wouldn't do these things is gonna feel attacked because they know they'd never do those things.
Idk how to fix the problem. I'm not part of it. I call other men out for their behavior. I've personally stopped several men from hurting women. But I'm still lumped in because it's "all men".
What? No it's not. Did you read the posted image? Simon Pegg is a man, btw.
No shit. That you are blaming mothers for how their sons turn out is telling. It's not women's sole responsibility to make sure men don't rape us.
Oh trust me I'm aware of who Simon is and I feel disgusting debating all this because I understand the real meaning behind it.
I'm just trying to say the messaging isn't reaching or impacting the men you're trying to call out. All it's doing is causing boys who did nothing to fall down the alt-right pipeline that leads to becoming the men you're trying to call out
How do you know unless you are one of those men?
Because I'm smart enough to realize that the type of man who's willing to rape someone isn't gonna be deterred by any of this. He's gonna do it regardless.
The man who beats his wife isn't gonna see a billboard that says "beating women is wrong" and suddenly go "my god, I should really stop beating my wife"
So we just give up and say it's in the nature of man to rape? We can't fix this?
I have much higher views of men and their ability to empathize and be kind.
Like I've previously said, I don't have a solution. I wish I did because holy shit this is all fucked.
I wish I had a higher view of men, hell of humans in general. But I've studied history and it's been fucked from the beginning. Hence me being a misanthrope.