This was always s pet peeve of mine, if "all men" is an obvious simplification, why is that the people pointing that out are the stupid ones, and not the ones using an obviously weak argument?
Always seemed like self sabotage to me
Phewww, I thought it was no tall men
He looks exactly like Mark E Smith in that profile picture.
The logic of deciding you can keep training one person to fix the behaviour in another.
it's a lot of men
Naw, can't be. Lemme look it up...
29.3% of college men ๐ฑ๐ฑ๐ฑ
This report focused exclusively on college men in the United States and Canada.
also
Though we found an overall prevalence rate of approximately 29%, this is strongly associated with measurement strategy and may be an over- or underestimate.
however
Our results provide strong evidence of the widespread nature of sexual violence perpetration on college campuses and the need for greater resources to understand and prevent this behavior that undermines the health and safety of so many people.
I've been flying a pride and blm flag since 2020 ish. An asshole maga moves in nearby and 2 days after I change from pride to blm they put up a alm flag. I was so proud to trigger the snowflake
#AlwaysAMan
Always a man still isn't true. Women do horrifying, bigoted shit too. They just aren't taken as seriously when they do it.
Men aren't some different species from women.
As a tall male I was confused for a sec.
What's confusing about #NoTallMen? You aren't welcome here, yet you post anyways. /j
Bugger off, ya freak
Short kings only ๐
The point is that the subset of men who sexually assault get let off the hook often (e.g. Brock Turner only serving 3 months). It's like saying "Not all Catholic priests are child molesters". Yes, that's true, but it misses the point. The ones who are don't get punished. (Or they get a slap on the wrist.)
This is going to be an unpopular take, but one of the main reasons many of these assholes act like they do is because they get rewarded for it.
Yes teach men to be decent and respectful, and hopefully the message will get through where it can.
But you also need to teach women not to buy into "confidence" and guys that act like prats. There's going to be a lot of denial about this but a lot of women do buy into this, and turn their noses up at guys that are polite and self restrained, which comes across inevitably as weakness/shyness/ etc etc.
Teach women to reject sleaze and it would play a huge role in reducing bad behaviour from men. I've seen first hand women who are ostensibly feminist and progressive, defending sleazy men, who were literally grabbing women on the ass and saying gross things, and they defended the guy because to them it was attractive and fun (other women absolutely did not see it the same way). No, fuck that. Sleaze is bad, full stop, and you have to reject it all the time, and also reject confident macho behaviour as well. Women who reward this are absolutely part of the problem (and solution) as well
Buddy, you were close to making a good point, but this is not a tactful way to say what you're trying to say. This is victim blaming.
We should teach boys not to be rapists.
Teaching girls how to spot a rapist is not a bad thing either, as long as teaching boys not to be rapists is still the priority.
But women who date rapist men are not "part of the problem", they are often the victims of rape. They are the victims, and you are directing blame at them. Fuck off with that toxic shit.
You're missing the point, the #notallmen stuff is referring to wider culture, and how people enable it. This is outside of individual perpetrators and victims, so you can't narrow the focus on just that.
Yes men that participate in toxic masculinity further this environment.
But also, women that participate in toxic masculinity also enable it, and should also be part of the conversation.
This is not victim blaming in any way shape or form
yes, its definitely the womens fault, totally
do I need the /s?
Toxic masculinity is a societal issue, it is fueled by both men and women, and requires both men and women to deal with it.
In this case yes, women also participate in enabling toxic masculinity
I have a better idea. Let's punish rapists.
Hot take: People who focus on punishment rather than prevention don't really care about victims.
I prefer a solution where a woman didn't get raped at all.
Quips like that just sound like dismissive brain rot.
Yes punish them, yes teach men to avoid toxic masculinity
AND
teach women to not reward toxic masculinity as well
My bet is the ones that say not all men are that man.
I'm not a man, but I don't feel like we should be guilting boys by insulting their entire gender, something they didn't choose to be, and for something they likely have no desire to do themselves. That's how you push people into the manosphere, looksmaxxing, alpha males and stuff, because they feel like they're not accepted by progressive people because of their gender.
If they can't handle the "don't rape women" message, I don't think anything can help them stay away from those incel-adjacent spaces.
"Society assumes you're a rapist because you're a man" is the message I think the parent comment is arguing against.
Isn't that the conservative framing though? Rarely I see that point coming from "progressives".
No, they're the guys that look the other way because "bro-code". Enabling is as bad as abusing.
Those are the same.
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