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Flávio Bolsonaro poised to win Brazilian presidency after shock first-round victory
(www.theguardian.com)
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Think this is organic or mostly the result of US election interference? No way Brazilians are watching the far right clown show around the world and saying "I want in"
Literally as you said, far right clown show around the world as in: everyone is seeing it and saying "yes please, I want some of that too." it's unfuckingbelievable how this shit keeps happening... It's absolutely going to be the decade (or more) of the far reich. :/
Frustratingly, it's entirely possible. We're seeing a similar thing in Australia with a bunch of imbecilic shills for billionaires and mining companies polling better than they ever have even though they've basically promised to be an Aussie version of the trump administration. We're all fucked, and it's just as much the fault of our friends, neighbours, and families as it is the oligarchs.
It doesn't help the the party who spruiks that they're for the working class, has done nothing but fellate the epstein class and tell the workers 'We've got ours' for the last 3 years.
Absolutely nothing done on housing but it's all good, they passed a tax cut for the rich!
Vote Greens if you want real change. Labor are liberal-lite (and it's becoming less 'lite' day by day)
Edit: Don't forget that Labor are union-busters and want lower working conditions for laborers.
I'd suggest looking into your local socialists and voting for them.
People don't think that far. "It's the economy, stupid."
Brazilian economy is doing OK. Growing higher that predicted expectations, low inflation compared with the rest of the world (the government determine gasoline and Diesel prices so it's shielded from international shocks). But people live on algorithmic bubbles that show them violence, crime and rage bait 24/7, all of that plus "I like Lula but my pastor told me to vote Bolsonaro" evangelicals
It's "organic" in that it's not fraud, but I'd wager people get most of their opinions from (US) social media algorithms.
Has Lula measurably improved people's lives?
Bolsonaro didn't so what's your point?
Problem is that people only remember the incumbent. You get off power, you spend the next 4 years dragging your opponent through the mud, criticising everything they do, blocking as much as you can, and come election time, people won't be remembering how YOU fucked up 4 years ago, but rather how your opponent is fucking up right now.
Exactly. People always vote for the opposition, no matter who they are, because life in brazil is shitty for most brazillians.
And to awnser the top comment: US meddling does not currently seem like a very important factor.
Bolsonaro didn't so people elected someone else. Lula (probably) didn't so people (probably would) elect someone else. In other words taking Lula out of power isn't some weird process but the same process that's been driving things. People tend to not keep in power someone who isn't improving their lives when their lives need improving.
yes but in this case, it's back to Bolsonaro.. it would be like USians electing Don Jr in 2028 and pretending it's not just more child pedophilia (although now that I say it, I am certain USinans would be that stupid)
Kinda like how they went from Trump to Biden to Trump. Or like Bush Sr -> Clinton -> Bush Jr? Whatever people are, it's what they are and if we want (assuming fellow lefty) them to support something else, that doesn't happen by putting someone who doens't deliver measurable gains for them. People who do that get high approvals and get re-elected and propaganda has tough time countering that.
Actually I think the Bush example is a bad one because I think that aspect of the 2016 election was memory-holed.
Originally the media was pushing Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, and Clinton herself was so fucksure that was going to be the match up she pushed her media contacts to focus on lunatics like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, trying to show people how crazy they were. She underestimated two things here.
People being tired of both the Bushes and the Clintons. Trump came in as an outsider and shook things up, as no one was enthusiastic for Jeb "please clap" Bush. Clinton used the fact that she was essentially funding the entire DNC apparatus to put the finger on the scale because no one was really excited for her either, although she never had an equivalent "please clap" moment.
How people saw politicians like Bush and Clinton as maneuvering and calculating and following the winds of popularity rather than facing difficult problems head on. As much as Clinton was right to peg Trump as a lunatic, she underestimated (I did and still do too, I don't get it) Trump's charisma. Her self assuredness that it would be her vs. Bush was a total misread of an era where people were sick of current politicians in general and any kind of outsider became appealing (the explosion of interest in Bernie Sanders is snother example in the same period).
Anyway I think the push for Bush . Clinton alienated a lot of voters from both. I remember it was a common complaint I heard at the time from both people on the left and right.
I think she also missed the fact that a lot of people wanted a lunatic. They were dissatisfied with "the system" and someone like Trump promised to blow the system up.
Which he has, frankly. Not the ideal way to go about it but it was effective. They're also starting to learn how good the old system was for them, too late alas.
JFC lol
This is not Jair Bolsonaro.
no, this is his son/puppet
I dont know. But I know a far right candidate won't. Factually not in their ideology.
Almost certainly. But that doesn't mean people would keep in power the candidate that hasn't done (assuming) enough for them. So wherever we want to prevent far right getting in power, we better do what needs doing for people and fast.
Ah I get it, the pendulum swinging. Thats it. Seems like we shouldn't do that as a species but oh well 💀
You’re not wrong. But also, this is literally the son of the previous leader who was jailed for his actions as president (iirc). It’s almost as dumb as us here in the US re-electing the guy who’s COVID response was likely responsible for a half-million unnecessary deaths.
This is the thing people keep missing. Democracy is usually reactionary. What gets people to come vote is to "throw the bums out", to bring in change. It's hard to get people to rally around the boring old status quo, especially if people think the status quo sucks.
Since nobody is answering you: no, nobody's lives got better. Economy is in stagflation, crime is is worse than it ever was, no relevant housing projects, no relevant infrastructure investment, education reform, etc. The tax reform will take a decade to come in effect.
Oh but there were a ton of new taxes, including for small goods imported from overseas, which everybody used to buy constantly (shein, temu, etc). Made the post office (public company) lose several billions per year and only increased effective tax revenue by a few hundred million. So the government lost overall and the people lost. At the same time, a new head to the post office and several high paying jobs there were appointed from the government party.
This kind of thing keeps happening so people just want something new and there are no other lefty candidates because Lula never shared power
Thanks, that's what I was hoping someone would chime in about. Also condilences for the existing and likely future shit show. 😔
The tax on 50$ > was repealed actually, but that came without any news about it
Repealed 2 months before the election, I wonder why
The Lula admin's Bolsa Família giving R$600 to unemployed and retired people, a push for fully electrifying rural parts of Brasil that have lacked electricity, same with running water. This gave him a huge amount of support from northeast Brasil because it literally saved families from starvation having the extra money to buy food or cooking gas.
Bolsonaro opposed all of this because of course he did.
Well... not by much. I guess he did what he could, but his administration was hamstrung by a wildly right leaning legislature. By the way, even if some kind of miracle nets him his 4th term, he would have to deal with an even more extreme-right-leaning Congress.