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Hate to break it to you, but we live in a world post-numerous-revolutions. Maybe we could try something different.
committing human rights abuses en masse. Get outta here with that nonsense.
So is the US, the US is much worse. If Isreal with our funding under Biden/Trump treated the Gazans like the Chinese treat the Uyghers, Netanyahu would receive a Nobel prize.
I deleted my comment because it appeared you already engaged with someone else on what I was actually interested in discusing.
Didn't seem like you had thought through the situation we're in all that thoroughly.
I have definitely thought it through. I'm just not interested in solutions which involve creating more victims in the process. Thanks and goodbye.
By accepting the status quo you are accepting the continuation of creation of victims.
What do you propose? The ruling class will not surrender their life of unimaginable luxury willingly
They are mortal.
Ok, but the system of oppression will still be there
Those systems are run by mortals. The only reason they still stand is because there are people sustaining them, and those people are replaced as they die. Starve a system of its adherents and it will perish.
Are you proposing a general strike? Cool, I think we should go in that direction too. However, I think the general strike will be a prelude, cause, and primary factor of revolution. Why don't you?
No. That would cause tremendous problems for a bunch of innocent people. The kind of change that needs to happen is one which can only happen when humanity no longer produces the kind of people who create and uphold oppressive systems. It's not something you can do by force, whether soft or hard force. Empathy and dialectic are the very latest innovations in human evolution and are far too rare as yet, especially since that population keeps getting culled by their own families and countrymen the world over.
That's a lot of words to say not very much. What is your solution to overthrow the capitalist system? So far, your solution seems to be "arguing with them until they die"
Oh, are you a capitalist? Because I won't argue with you until you die. I'll just block you and go talk to someone who has a point aside from ignoring my point to make glib remarks. Ta-ta.
Ok, I apologize. I wasn't willing to hear you out. What is your solution? Explain it more simply. Something about starving the system, and using dialectics to do so?
You mean the thing western countries have been trying for the past 100 years only to result in the current encroaching fascist takeover through non-revolution while the global climate collapses leading to billions dead?
I’ll pass on that thanks.
This is literally the world you live in, in which numerous revolutions have taken place. None of them solved the problem. I'll pass on doing the same insane shit over and over again, thanks.
Individual freedoms are more than they have been in the past thousands of years. The reason things are as they are now is that we have not had a revolution in so long because liberal politics have placated people into thinking there is another path.
If revolution had not worked we would still be serfs. The failure is in the lack of continued revolution.
"It didn't work because it worked! It'll stop not working if we do it more!" is the weakest nonsense I've ever heard in support of violence. I would compare it with those chuds who beat their kids and say "well my dad beat me, and I turned out fine!"
It did work, but it is a continuous process. You cannot revolt once and think everything will be perfect for ever.
But please do list your amazing alternative, I’m sure it’s achieved so much and solved all the issues we face.
Revolt ONCE? How... how long do you think this has been going on? A hundred years? A thousand? You're being super snide while saying the dumbest shit imaginable and I can't even guess where you got such confidence in this ignorance.
On two separate occasions you’ve been asked to provide your solution, do it. Le to all hear your amazing non-revolutionary method liberal.
I have provided the solution. You didn't see it because it's not what you wanted to see. You don't want another solution, you want an excuse for violence just like the people you'd overthrow. You're not here to learn anything, but to be snide and call me silly names like "liberal". I'm a full on leftist, bud. Now go find someone else to spew this trash at.
You already demonstrated you are a compliant Nazi, ignoring collaborators and class traitors are the reason the bourgeoisie won't ever starve. You ignore the deathcamps, because you enjoy the proletariat starving.
You are a Nazi.
Oh now I'm a Nazi? Because Nazis are definitely known for being pro-education pacifists, right? What a joke. You worship violence. Get lost.
If you were educated, you’d know pacifism always lead to genocide. Revolutions were fought, because the violent oppressed. Pacifism is what's allowing Palestine, & the US to turn Nazi. When you let Nazis continue genocide, peacefully you're a Nazi.
have we had a capitalist revolution?
laughs in George Washington
slaves were still sold.
indigenous were still massacred.
Land was being seized…
do you think “capital” means “free trade” or something?