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hehe, I think I am starting to notice when people speak English when they are Deutsch speaker. Once there was case when person was writing all nouns with big letter, which is valid in Deutsch, but not English.
Yeah.. At the very least, in my current Jobcenter they offer translators. But there was funny situation. They use Skype for voice and video, and one time they tried to call translator, and it did not worked, and she said "Skype ist kaputt", which is funny way to say that something does not function.
We actually have similar law, that officials, workers, etc should serve clients in Ukrainian, but if someone want to, then can ask to speak in Russian, which is not big deal.
Well, until 2022. Not because laws has changed, but because asking someone to speak Russian might be considering quite rude, if they speak Ukrainian.
The burocracy is definitely... Uh... Much worse here. In several months here I got more papers documents here, then I got in my entire life in Ukraine. And everything is very slow and confusing.
But in general? It is definitely much much better that I had in past. Which, probably, say more about my past, then about Germany, but eh. I do not have much choice now anyway, so it is either that or become bloody mushy puddle somewhere under Kramatorsk.
Huh, that is sound really worse then I initially though.
The thing is with German language is... How everything is... Not intuitive and relies on either remembering EVERYTHING or remembering bunch of weird rules that sometimes can help you. Like Tags are he, all times of day is he, except Nacht... It is she...
Like... Ukrainian or Russian is, probably, might be even more complex with all of their stupid concepts, especially punctuation with comas. Like, you could easily build quite simple sentence, and almost every word in it should be separated by comas, because there is reason to why.
For example, this languages are also gendered, so nouns also can be he, she, it, which also affects many parts of language. In fact, gender affects not only conjunctions and other related words, but even verbs!
So, for example, if you wanted to ask "Was hat du heute gemacht?", you can say only that. You can say that to him, her, it. While in both Russian and Ukrainian it will be: "Що ти сьогодні робила?" — for her as you "Що ти сьогодні робив?" — for him as you "Що ти сьогодні робило?" — for it as you. It not used that much, but it exists.
But the thing is... It is more obvious and depends on one simple rule?
For example, to get gender of word you can add simple possessive article "mine", and just listen, if it sounds natural or not.
"Мій яблуко" — Meinen Apfel — it is sounds wrong. "Моя яблуко" — Meine Apfel — this sounds Aldo wrong. "Моє яблуко" — Mein Apfel — this sounds correct.
You could, of course, do it in hard way and learn them one by one. Or do as in Deutsch, where you can learn that all Tags are he, -ung is always she, and so on. But this is very horrific way to do so, even if you are native speaker.
It is especially useful, since many words do not share same gender in Ukrainian and Russian, but the principle stays the same.
With this simple "test" you can quickly deduce gender of a word, even if you see it in the first time in your life.
And do not mention conjunction of an words... Articles in Deutsch and that is my biggest nemesis.
Yep, this is typical for us. Probably, the biggest give away is that many of us forget about existence of articles. Since we do not have this concept — it is very unnatural to use them since we have hard time grasping when would we even need them, especially in something like English.
You could never use them, when talking to Ukraninan or Russian, and they will understand you perfectly, while English or German speaker will, most likely, start to lose mind.
Or they use so, god, damn, much comas.
Well... There is quite high amount of Russians who are here, but it us mostly because they are kids of parents who moved to Germany when USSR stopped being a thing. At least, UT seems to be true for Berlin and, probably, some eastern States, like Brandenburg and so on.
It is temporary, until Germany might decide to stop extending 24 paragraph for Ukrainians. They already extended it up to 2028 couple days, but added new rule that you do not have right for 24 paragraph unless you have a proof that you do not have military "obligation" in Ukraine.
Which, practically speaking, means that you would not be able to escape at all. At least, not alive or with all limbs intact.
And really bad thing about this paragraph is that time, that you spent here, is not counted toward getting right for citizenship.
Currently, as far I remember, you need to live here at least 5 years to even be allowed to attempt try to become citizen. You can speak the most fluent C1 Deutsch, know everything about politics, history, but since you do not have required 5 years — you can not.
You need to switch to different paragraphs, like work visa, marrying citizen, and so on for days to start counting.