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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 66 points 2 days ago

:::spoiler an interpretation

It might make more sense if you replace Joshu's actions with "doing a jerk-off motion." He's treating the discussion as unserious, as well as treating himself as unserious.

Nansen shows up looking to start an argument in bad faith, no doubt with all sorts of rhetorical talking points prepared designed to catch the other side in a gotcha. Attempting to engage just takes you into his prepared talking points and responses, while evading the question or refusing to answer makes him feel like he's "won," and leaves his words unchallenged.

The only thing you can really do is to take him off script and take the wind out of his sails. Nansen was prepared for the possibility that they'd answer, and prepared for the possibility that they'd refuse to engage, but he didn't have a plan for what to do if someone put a shoe on their head.

Also, by treating himself unseriously and humbling himself, Joshu removes Nansen's motivation to prove his superiority and the superiority of his house. Joshu essentially "shows his belly," and says through his actions, "Bro, I'm just a silly little guy, if you wanna kill that cat, that's all you." Nansen's internal justification for killing the cat could only be that he wanted to knock the other side down off their high horse, and so by abandoning any sense of dignity he would remove that motivation, and the cat's life would be saved.

By both having the wisdom to understand Nansen's thought process, and having the humility to put aside his dignity for the sake of saving the life of an innocent being, Joshu ironically displays a better grasp of Buddhist teachings than Nansen, regardless of whether Nansen could beat him in a debate through wordplay and rhetoric.

[-] Crankley@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Neat :) thanks for that

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I am enlightened!

Rhetoric is like Excel, it can make anything look sensible.

[-] CrimeIsLegalNow@ani.social 5 points 2 days ago

Rhetoric literally just means the means of persuasion so you just said anything is believable if you're a big enough sucker.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

Actually true, tho~

this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2026
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