Two University of Leicester students speak out over ‘absurd’ and ‘Orwellian’ decision by the BBC and ITV Studios to edit out pride pins worn on University Challenge
The pride flag is being framed more and more as some kind of big and divisive political statement, while it shouldn't be... But how do we respond to that? How does one defend against such framing?
It’s political. That’s not the problem. The problem is people saying “politics are unpleasant so we should never discuss them. It’s much more pleasant to just not participate in political discussion. You disagree with me on something? Well that’s now political and it’s rude for you not to shut up about it and just let me have my way. “
Don’t concern yourself with wether something is considered political. Focus on why political discussion is taboo. That’s the real danger.
You go Louis Theroux on them, instead of answering questions, you keep asking them questions until they get stuck and are forced to actually think for once rather than repeat their scripts
Or in the case of the pride flag, make them explain why it's a bad thing? Which is when they'll say it's being forced upon them, and the woke agenda is pushed down everyone's throat and whatever.
Which is also very hard to defend against... That is, I myself find it difficult to find something to say.
If they just straight up live in an alternate reality world where seeing a flag and leaving people alone to live their lives is equivalent to pushing the "woke agenda" there isn't much you can do.
You can ask how it's being forced on them but honestly they just are cowards with a victim complex who want to feel like they're being persecuted as they actually are insulated from the worst shit and are benefiting the most from our society.
So ... Yeah anyone that says woke stuff is being shoved down their throats is a moron tbh. I've had Mormons come knock on my door, never a queer person trying to convert me to ... The horrible idea of equality before the eyes of the law?
Yes, it's exhausting... In any case I want to hang up a pride flag outside my home soon, to at least show some solidarity. I'm afraid it might lead to vandalism, but we'll see, I guess.
The comparison with Mormons is a good one. We thankfully don't have those here, but we do have Jehovah's creeps.
Do it, pride flags are very important for us queer folk. They indicate which areas are generally safe and which aren't. The more proudly they're flown, the better. If you do, I recommend using the progress flag (with the triangle bit)
You don't have to be queer yourself to help make queer people feel safe
Not sure between the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses which of them is worse. They both share a lot of commonality. In that both were created by some dude to excuse their behavior and control the community (in my opinion). Obviously deeper than that and plenty of differences but both of them I find have pretty dubious history.
It represents deviation from the insisted "norm" which defies what is told to you is the "correct" order and they will insist that that is violence to cover the actual violence they use to keep people in line.
The pride flag is being framed more and more as some kind of big and divisive political statement, while it shouldn't be... But how do we respond to that? How does one defend against such framing?
It’s political. That’s not the problem. The problem is people saying “politics are unpleasant so we should never discuss them. It’s much more pleasant to just not participate in political discussion. You disagree with me on something? Well that’s now political and it’s rude for you not to shut up about it and just let me have my way. “
Don’t concern yourself with wether something is considered political. Focus on why political discussion is taboo. That’s the real danger.
You don't. You make them defend why it's divisive and why it's a political statement.
You don't engage them. Make them engage you.
You go Louis Theroux on them, instead of answering questions, you keep asking them questions until they get stuck and are forced to actually think for once rather than repeat their scripts
Same way you deal with racist/sexist jokes. Make them explain what's funny.
Or in the case of the pride flag, make them explain why it's a bad thing? Which is when they'll say it's being forced upon them, and the woke agenda is pushed down everyone's throat and whatever.
Which is also very hard to defend against... That is, I myself find it difficult to find something to say.
It's just like ... Not though?
If they just straight up live in an alternate reality world where seeing a flag and leaving people alone to live their lives is equivalent to pushing the "woke agenda" there isn't much you can do.
You can ask how it's being forced on them but honestly they just are cowards with a victim complex who want to feel like they're being persecuted as they actually are insulated from the worst shit and are benefiting the most from our society.
So ... Yeah anyone that says woke stuff is being shoved down their throats is a moron tbh. I've had Mormons come knock on my door, never a queer person trying to convert me to ... The horrible idea of equality before the eyes of the law?
Yes, it's exhausting... In any case I want to hang up a pride flag outside my home soon, to at least show some solidarity. I'm afraid it might lead to vandalism, but we'll see, I guess.
The comparison with Mormons is a good one. We thankfully don't have those here, but we do have Jehovah's creeps.
Do it, pride flags are very important for us queer folk. They indicate which areas are generally safe and which aren't. The more proudly they're flown, the better. If you do, I recommend using the progress flag (with the triangle bit)
You don't have to be queer yourself to help make queer people feel safe
Not sure between the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses which of them is worse. They both share a lot of commonality. In that both were created by some dude to excuse their behavior and control the community (in my opinion). Obviously deeper than that and plenty of differences but both of them I find have pretty dubious history.
Definitely with you there. But then all religions are cults.
Continue to celebrate it!
They are a genocidal org. They don't care.
Real life local activism.
It represents deviation from the insisted "norm" which defies what is told to you is the "correct" order and they will insist that that is violence to cover the actual violence they use to keep people in line.