If bikes are violently forced to drive like cars against all reason, then car brians will be crying even louder while bicyclists are murdered at even higher rate.

Serious question: Imagine I'm sitting on my bike in front of your car at a red light. Which option would you prefer?

• We both follow the supposed "law". - I wait until the light turns green. I slowly accelerate from a stop to 12mph. You ride my ass for a block, then we repeat at the next light.
• I follow the "law". - You randomly run me over because of road rage or drunk or distracted or bad driver or fash terror or whatever.
• I break the "law". - I run the red light. When you get the green light, I'm half of a block ahead of you. If you catch up with me, I dip onto the (empty) sidewalk so you (and any other cars) can pass, then I drop back into the street behind the traffic.

I take option 3 because it's better for the cars and much much safer for me. Car laws don't make sense for bikes. Car brains really have no idea what it's like out there. Height of privileged mentality.

Sure, once they start murdering people at a rate similar to cars, we should enforce the laws on each group with equal vigor.

I hate riding my bike on streets. I’m lucky my area has dedicated bike zones all along the main streets, separated by barriers. I wish more side streets had them, as well. I wish f’in everywhere had them.

they suck on stroads, yes. they're mostly fine in tight downtown areas alongside a single vehicle lane.

I think most people refer to physically separated bike paths that share the same road surface as bike lanes. personally, I don't really like completely separate bike paths (around here, most commonly multi use paths), because they're not actually designed as infrastructure, but as recreation, so connections and directness are poor.

but, yes, just tossing in a bike lane is not the proper solution, it's a bandaid on the way to a complete infrastructure replan. and fuck you Ontario for blocking them and ripping them out

Fuck. Don't tell me those commie Demoncrats voted you into office too!!!!!??

Unprotected bike lanes are actually worse than nothing so yeah.

I miss living on the Toronto harbourfront and being able to bike an hour in either direction along the lake with very minimal interactions with cars..