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People are too hard on Proton
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this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2026
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Is your point that Andy Yen should get a free pass on insulting his customers and his employees and making the product worse through his AI policy because Google and Microsoft are worse? I mean if that's how you choose which businesses to be a customer to, go ahead. But that doesn't mean the rest of us should.
Businesses should be accountable, and so should their executives.
I think OP pretty clearly stated that their issue is that there are degrees of bad, but many users here cannot acknowledge that. You seem to be supporting their argument.
No one is suggesting anyone get a free pass; those are your words.
Whataboutism and bribes is OP trying to give Proton a free pass.
So we should continue to complain loudly and show our disapproval with our wallets?
Is the product worse though? I’ve literally noticed zero difference and I’ve been using Protonmail for a decade.
Do you think choosing to include AI-generated code without security review will make it better? You may not have noticed a difference yet, but I'm not trusting my data to such a reckless policy and waiting until I personally notice.
That’s your choice, but if you want to avoid AI generated code then you may as well become Amish at this point. Even the Linux kernel uses it
Did you choose to ignore the part where I said "without security review"? Saying to either embrace AI code fully or become Amish is a ridiculous false dichotomy. Also I'd like it if you answered my questions.
Do you seriously think that Protonmail has no security review?
Do you seriously think that a conversation means one party can ignore whatever they're incapable of answering and misdirect by calling out points that haven't been made?
Since you're not willing to have an actual conversation, I'll choose to block you and discuss the issue with adults. It works somewhat like choosing a business to be a customer of. If I don't agree with the direction they're going in, I stop using their services.
Based on the decision-making practices of these CEOs who don't actually understand the technology they're in charge of... I wouldn't be shocked if the security review is functionally nonexistent. We did just see that so much of our online security was literally hidden behind the number 4 and has caused a massive security vulnerability in everything that caused everyone to scramble to patch it out.
The Linux kernel contains some LLM code, but it's probably 95% less than many users here have randomly chosen to assume.
They didn't say that. They said without security review.
Something about goal posts
No one moved them. It's just all around bad business.
Diamonds are an excellent product with horrible labor practices. Decent people don't use products made by malevolent companies. Moissanite is fine in place of diamonds for most uses, and it's easy to replace Proton.
What's a good alternative where mail, vpn, password manager, drive, and collaborative document editing are parts in an ecosystem?
Coupling those things causes lock-in with little upside. My VPN and email provider have no symbiotic connection. Lift & Shift leverages the key value of the free market; competition. "Ecosystem" is marketing speak for captive customer, not customer value.
I don't fully agree, except for a small lock-in due to convenience (having one bill to pay instead of five). Interoperability is the key. To me an ecosystem is not inherently captive if I can easily pull out my data and use a different service. I do agree that some services are less valuable to have bundled, but some services work together, and that's the value in ecosystems. I also think Proton could be way more interoperable, but nothing is perfect I guess.
Anecdotal but about a month ago following an app update half my emails in the android app stopped displaying pictures. I wasn't the only one affected as they already knew about the issue.