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Harm or self harm e.g. go kill yourself, or someone should put a bullet in them, or here's a guide to how to be anorexic without getting caught.
I agree with you on the problem of the rules lawyers who try to argue that what's not specifically forbidden must be allowed, but I also think that a set of defined unacceptable behaviour is not just for determining whom to smite but also for telling new people what kind of place they've found.
When I was admin of a place long ago there was a list of stuff that merited instaban and then the additional meta rule which was formatted as a warning "If you create problems here even if it's not specifically against the rules we will do something about you" which yes very subjective but also fair warning for people like the guy who came to sealion every political thread, and the rather unpleasant person who liked to reply to people's pet posts with stories about how she killed her hamster.
I think calling someone out on this is more effective than silently banning someone. It's more transparent, and shows that we aren't willing to put up with it. In the case of the last one, probably we would want to remove it and send a DM to them explaining why it's not acceptable. In this case, the harm in leaving it up outweighs the benefit of transparency.
I'm not sure that we've quite worked out what kind of place this is. But if you have a suggestion that could sum it up in a sentence I'm all ears. However, I don't think we need to say "no threatening, no doxxing, no telling people to go kill themselves" as I think by listing this you are telling people it's a place that needs these common sense rules because people often aren't able to use common sense so need it written down. I'm not sure that's the place we want or the impression we want to give.
Yeah fair enough.
I can't say what everyone else wants this place to be, but I'd like it to be a welcoming place where people associated with Wellington and Wellington region can socialise, make friends, get support or recommendations, and discuss things relevant to living in or visiting Wellington.
But also I'd like some definition, if not specific rules then at least a kind of map of how things will be addressed. In part because not everyone who infringes means to do so, but also because some people can't parse an oblique warning.
I'd like to see how we go. When an issue (or potential issue) arises, either start the discussion yourself, or report it with a description of your concern. If we find the approach isn't working, we can adjust then. But before then I'd like to build up a team of moderators happy to use the discussion approach, and then as a team we can decide if more rules are necessary.
I think probably you are going to want to do a thread specifically for mod applications? I'd be willing to zap obvious spam scams and illegal things like csam on a when and as encountered basis but I don't really have the time or the mental bandwidth to commit to full discussion based modding, especially where the discussions might be time sensitive. Also I think probably we're both active in the same time zone while you'll probably want at least one ideally two people who can prevent mods are sleeping scenarios.
Yes, I think we are new enough it's difficult to approach people so I will do a mod application thread. I'll pick some people willing to try a discussion-based approach, and willing to join a mod matrix room to discuss things. Plus some others for obvious spam/illegal content removal, especially for covering other time zones.