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ACT leader David Seymour says simpler tax system would encourage a culture of success (www.rnz.co.nz)

submitted 10 months ago by Dave to c/politics

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National campaigned on a proposal to adjust the existing tax thresholds, but as part of coalition negotiations with ACT last year, it agreed to consider whether the "concepts" of ACT's tax policy could be incorporated "subject to no earner being worse off than they would be under National's plan".

In simple terms, ACT would immediately axe the lowest tax threshold of 10.5 percent, meaning the government would collect more revenue from all income earners.

Some of that extra revenue would then be returned to low-and-middle income earners through a targeted tax credit to ensure they were not worse off.

The money left over would allow the government to reduce the higher tax rates at the top of the income scale - dropping the 33 percent rate to 30, and the 39 percent rate to 33

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[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think at a certain point it could come down to how much you value your time. I tend to think of the amount of life left in me as more & more valuable the more I work, and the less of it I have left.

So, if i'm already signed up for a 40 hour week, then doing any more on top of that would ideally pay more for the time than my day to day, as I value my time not otherwise allocated to business quite highly.

At the end of the day, as humans what we're doing is exchanging our time for money, or entertainment, or hobbies, or chores, or whatever.

[–] thevoyagekayaking 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the steps in our tax brackets are small enough already that this isn't much of an issue, especially at higher incomes.

I can see it happening in some countries where the top tax rate is in the forties though, that would sting.

And then there's this nonsense.

Which country has the highest tax rate? 1966 was the year UK celebrities ran for their lives as the whopping 95% supertax rate was imposed by Harold Wilsons Labour Government.

Mick Jagger fled to France and John Lennon legged it to the United States while his Beatles comrades penned a song entitled the Taxman to express their disgust at the sky high charge but even now with the UK’s top tax band being less than half of that the subject of tax still raises hot debates amongst UK citizens.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Top tax bracket in the 40s is still a relatively low number historically though. Kiwis have been fed this cycle of tax too high, must have tax cuts so long that I don't think they get how low they really are in comparison.

Especially if you start comparing our fairly simple tax system, with other places where there's all sorts of other fees, levys, mandatory insurance etc that we just don't have here. And then you couple that with the aberration that we also don't have capital gains tax, and all in all we are paying pish all compared to other countries.

I decided a few cycles ago, that the only parties I would consider voting for are ones that have policies to increase their tax take; and as I watch our infrastructure age & crumble i'm still on that vibe.

[–] thevoyagekayaking 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When you have a 10% or more higher tax rate than other jurisdictions, it starts to create a pretty strong incentive for your top tax earners to just leave though, assuming their income is portable enough.

[–] Rangelus 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We as a society need to stop wringing our hands about some rich fuckers leaving and instead star worrying about the stuff that makes those rich fucker's profits possible: the working class, infrastructure and health care.

[–] thevoyagekayaking 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My point was, if they pack up and leave the country, you would end up with less tax that you would have if you left things as they were.

[–] Rangelus 2 points 9 months ago

I do not for a second think the total tax take would fall if the top brackets was raised 10%.

Those that leave the instant they pay more tax often mitigate their tax obligation already. Off-shoring profits is very common, for example.