I'm hoping some of the Chinese manufacturers will bring affordable sedan or station wagon BEV's to the market. Lighter, better aerodynamics, more range for the same battery size.

Not interested in hybrids, the worst of both worlds

[–] Rangelus 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I just cannot bring myself to trust my life to a Chinese car.

I have done business there. I know what it's like. It does not fill me with confidence.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Also it's one thing to be spied on by ad companies (which is bad enough) but quite another to be spied on by an adversarial dictatorship.

[–] Rangelus 2 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Same reason I won't use Chinese brand phones.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That seems like a silly worry to me. I would be more concerned about what my own country or a corporation or the USA could do to me than China. Think about it. The USA could charge me with something like copyright violation and boom I get arrested just like that. China accuses me of a crime and the government won't do shit.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

While I share your concerns about local spying, giving a foreign entity a real time feed of every street, every passing licenseplate (via on board cameras) etc. seems like a bad idea. You should absolutely be vigilant against your own government as well. But China has shown many times in the past to use whatever means available to gather data for example on dissidents living abroad. That's not a silly worry, it's a daily occurrence.

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[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure they won't do shit, but why would I let a foreign entity that EMPHATICALLY only cares about itself access to my information when I don't have to?

Corporations spy on us too, and this is motivated by profit. The Chinese government is much more insidious. If I were a Chinese expat, for example, I should genuinely be concerned about them finding information on me and arresting me when I visit there.

[–] BalpeenHammer 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure they won’t do shit, but why would I let a foreign entity that EMPHATICALLY only cares about itself access to my information when I don’t have to?

You are doing that now though.

The Chinese government is much more insidious. If I were a Chinese expat, for example, I should genuinely be concerned about them finding information on me and arresting me when I visit there.

I am not a chinese expat though. I have literally zero concern that China is going to get me or do anything to me let alone care about me.

OTOH I am very afraid to attend a protest or even accidentally cross the street during a protest because I know I will go on some list and my face will be recorded by our own government.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You are doing that now though.

I trust the NZ government a lot more than the CCP, and you should too.

I am not a chinese expat though. I have literally zero concern that China is going to get me or do anything to me let alone care about me.

Neither am I, but I can recognize the terrible actions taken by that government, and not want to support it in any way.

OTOH I am very afraid to attend a protest or even accidentally cross the street during a protest because I know I will go on some list and my face will be recorded by our own government.

Why? Are you seriously trying to compare the New Zealand, or any western government, to the CCP? If you are, then I seriously doubt you understand quite how bad the CCP is.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (23 children)

I trust the NZ government a lot more than the CCP, and you should too.

Depends on the topic. I trust NZ government more than the CCP in most things but I fear the NZ government more than I fear the CCP because the NZ government exercises more power over me than the CCP does.

BTW why do you keep ignoring the other evil empire in the picture? I trust the US government less than I trust both the NZ government and the CCP.

Neither am I, but I can recognize the terrible actions taken by that government, and not want to support it in any way.

Cough Israel, cough Saudi Arabia.

Why?

Because I don't want to be on the list of known dissidents the government keeps.

Are you seriously trying to compare the New Zealand, or any western government, to the CCP?

Yes.

If you are, then I seriously doubt you understand quite how bad the CCP is.

As bad as they are they can not exert any power over me. OTOH both the NZ government and the US government can exert tremendous amount of power over me.

This is not a contest of who is worse the USA wins that hands down. This is a contest of who can harm me personally the most and who I should be afraid of the most.

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[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You probably trust your life to chinese made parts in your current car.

[–] Rangelus 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, but those are parts which are subject to overseas QA, standards and testing. For example, I have a Toyota. Chinese made parts must meet their strict quality control, must adhere to safety standards, etc.

I know first hand that, in China, regulations and standards can be bypassed with the correct payments. I do not trust that they have not done so, especially when there are other, better, choices.

We are talking about a country that has things like Melamine laced baby formula quite frequently. How did these things pass regulators and testing? Bribary.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (11 children)

I know first hand that, in China, regulations and standards can be bypassed with the correct payments. I do not trust that they have not done so, especially when there are other, better, choices.

The cars that are exported here must meet our standards.

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