I'm hoping some of the Chinese manufacturers will bring affordable sedan or station wagon BEV's to the market. Lighter, better aerodynamics, more range for the same battery size.

Not interested in hybrids, the worst of both worlds

[–] Rangelus 6 points 9 months ago (57 children)

I just cannot bring myself to trust my life to a Chinese car.

I have done business there. I know what it's like. It does not fill me with confidence.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (13 children)

You probably trust your life to chinese made parts in your current car.

[–] Rangelus 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, but those are parts which are subject to overseas QA, standards and testing. For example, I have a Toyota. Chinese made parts must meet their strict quality control, must adhere to safety standards, etc.

I know first hand that, in China, regulations and standards can be bypassed with the correct payments. I do not trust that they have not done so, especially when there are other, better, choices.

We are talking about a country that has things like Melamine laced baby formula quite frequently. How did these things pass regulators and testing? Bribary.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know first hand that, in China, regulations and standards can be bypassed with the correct payments. I do not trust that they have not done so, especially when there are other, better, choices.

The cars that are exported here must meet our standards.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's fine if you're happy to drive one, I don't really care. Personally I won't.

They can say they meet regulations all they won't, but the number of times corners are cut in China to make a few extra bucks makes me look elsewhere.

This is all not to mention not wanting to support the CCP in any way, and the CCP has fingers in all the large companies in China.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That’s fine if you’re happy to drive one, I don’t really care. Personally I won’t.

You do you boo. It seems like the rest of the country doesn't agree with you too much.

But hey you hate China and I guess that's one badge you can wear with honor.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I never said anyone else had to listen to me. I said, originally, that I wouldn't drive a Chinese company.

And I want to be very clear here. I don't hate China. I greatly distrust the Chinese government, and the culture of bribary, lying, cheating and scamming that has gone along with it. I also do not hate it because it's popular to do so online. I have this view because of direct, personal, experience with Chinese companies and the government there.

Simply put, Chinese companies have and will make important stuff out of sub-par materials to make a buck, and lie, cheat and bribe their way to market. And then people die. This is not paranoia, this is something that happens all the time there.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So you don't hate china but you hate the chinese government and everybody in china who works for any company that makes any product.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's not at all what I said.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's exactly what you said. Who do you think is making sure the chinese cars are going to kill you when you get in them if not the workers?

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sigh.

Companies in China regularly cut corners. I don't think they are actively trying to kill me, I never said that. I said I don't trust that they are made as they say they are. I don't trust that the vehicle I buy is the same as the one that was tested by encap, or was sent to the regulators to ensure it complied.

This is not because I'm racist, or hate Chinese people, or anything. This is from experience, but personal and historical, about the culture of corner cutting, cheating, lying and bribery, that is normalized in China.

To be very clear, I have lived and worked in China. I am not just talking out of my ass.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Companies in China regularly cut corners.

You mean the people who work in those companies right?

I don’t think they are actively trying to kill me, I never said that. I said I don’t trust that they are made as they say they are.

But if they are cutting corners they are actively trying to kill you.

I don’t trust that the vehicle I buy is the same as the one that was tested by encap, or was sent to the regulators to ensure it complied.

So what you are saying is that they people who built this car were actively trying to kill anybody who drove the car.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You mean the people who work in those companies right?

Well yes, I suppose it is the workers and management who are cutting corners. What's your point?

But if they are cutting corners they are actively trying to kill you.

No, they are trying to save a buck. They might not care about the consequences, or they might think it will all be fine, or something else. They aren't sitting around, rubbing their hands with glee and laughing about how many kiwis they will kill.

So what you are saying is that they people who built this car were actively trying to kill anybody who drove the car.

Again, no.

Let me give you an example. There was a scandal in 2008 where a company manufacturing baby formula was adding chemicals so that lab tests would show it had higher protein count. The chemical led to kidney damage in infants, with over 50,000 being hospitalized.

Do I think that company was trying to kill kids? No. They were trying to make more money, damn the consequences.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well yes, I suppose it is the workers and management who are cutting corners. What’s your point?

So you hate all the people who work in all the companies in China.

No, they are trying to save a buck. T

No they are trying to kill you. They know they are going to kill every person who buys a chinese car. You said it yourself. Chinese cars are not safe because people who work in Chinese companies are building cars that will kill the people who buy them.

They aren’t sitting around, rubbing their hands with glee and laughing about how many kiwis they will kill.

Of course not. They sell cars all over the world and are going to kill every person who buys a chinese car anywhere in the world.

Let me give you an example. There was a scandal in 2008 where a company manufacturing baby formula was adding chemicals so that lab tests would show it had higher protein count. The chemical led to kidney damage in infants, with over 50,000 being hospitalized.

So yes then. The people who work in all chinese companies are just like these people and all products made in china are just like this baby formula. All chinese products will kill or make people sick because chinese people who work in those companies want to kill the people who buy those products right?

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago

So you hate all the people who work in all the companies in China.

I never said that, what the fuck are you on about?

No they are trying to kill you. They know they are going to kill every person who buys a chinese car. You said it yourself. Chinese cars are not safe because people who work in Chinese companies are building cars that will kill the people who buy them.

Now you are being an idiot.

Of course not. They sell cars all over the world and are going to kill every person who buys a chinese car anywhere in the world.

You continue being an idiot.

So yes then. The people who work in all chinese companies are just like these people and all products made in china are just like this baby formula. All chinese products will kill or make people sick because chinese people who work in those companies want to kill the people who buy those products right?

What the fuck are you on about mate.

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