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[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have friends and family in several asian countries and travel regularly in the region. Do not presume to know my situation.

Why do you keep saying "asian countries". Do all asians look alike to you or something? Do you think all Asian countries are China or something?

I’m well aware of this.

no you aren't. You denied it happened FFS.

You paint it as something that is happened all the time, and could happen to you any moment.

It has happened a lot and could happen to anybody at anytime. There is no legal process for this. All somebody has to do is to write your name on a piece of paper. There is no judicial oversight for extraordinary renditions.

But in reality, this practice is greatly reduced if not stopped altogether in many jurisdictions. It also targets suspected Islamic terrorists, not political dissidents.

So I should only be worried if I am a muslim or anybody I know is a muslim? You are saying the USA only targets muslims with this? You are wrong. Non muslims and indeed Americans have been rendered.

You are perfectly capable of looking at my post history and seeing for yourself how wrong you are. But of course you won’t, because you can’t be wrong right?

I judge you by what you say to me. You sound like a paranoid delusional MAGA idiot who is incapable of criticising the USA and is convinced China is out to get them.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why do you keep saying “asian countries”. Do all asians look alike to you or something? Do you think all Asian countries are China or something?

Because I travel to more than one country, and I don't really feel like I need to specify which. But in case you are interested: Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, and China are all countries I visit semi-regularly.

no you aren’t. You denied it happened FFS.

No I didn't. I said, rather flippantly, "You need to stop watching spy movies as if they were documentaries."

So I should only be worried if I am a muslim or anybody I know is a muslim? You are saying the USA only targets muslims with this? You are wrong. Non muslims and indeed Americans have been rendered.

Look, as I said before, even if you are right and the US is so much worse than China, it does not invalidate my point.

You can go around worrying that the US is going to snatch you up because you said "fuck Obama" a couple of times online. I honestly don't give a shit.

I judge you by what you say to me. You sound like a paranoid delusional MAGA idiot who is incapable of criticising the USA and is convinced China is out to get them.

Lol, ok. Now I know there is no point in further engaging with you. You really are an idiot.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But in case you are interested: Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, and China are all countries I visit semi-regularly.

And you are convinced that if you travel to Japan or Singapore or Taiwan China is going to snag you right?

No I didn’t. I said, rather flippantly, “You need to stop watching spy movies as if they were documentaries.”

And the point of that wasn't a denial?

You can go around worrying that the US is going to snatch you up because you said “fuck Obama” a couple of times online.

Anybody can be put on a terrorist list for any reason. There is no court oversight.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And you are convinced that if you travel to Japan or Singapore or Taiwan China is going to snag you right?

The chance is not 0. Do I think it is likely? No. Do I think it is marginally more likely than the US declaring I'm a terrorist? Yes.

Why? Because the Chinese government does it more than the US. Even if they didn't, even if they were just as bad, or the US was much much worse, how does that invalidate my decision to use another brand of phone when I have that choice?

And the point of that wasn’t a denial?

Do I think it never happens? No. Do I think it will happen to me? No. Do I think China is more likely to? Yes, even if that chance is small.

Again, how does the US being a worse dictatorship than China invalidate my decision to not use a Chinese brand phone? Two things can be bad at once. One bad thing is better than two bad things.

I don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand.

Anybody can be put on a terrorist list for any reason. There is no court oversight.

Your point? If you are trying to argue the US does bad things, I haven't disagreed with you. If you are trying to say that, therefore, China is fine, well, that's just whataboutism pure and simple.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The chance is not 0

The same can be said of the USA.

No. Do I think it is marginally more likely than the US declaring I’m a terrorist? Yes.

Then you are completely delusional.

Why? Because the Chinese government does it more than the US.

Not even close. AFIK there are no documented instances of the Chinese government nabbing people overseas and there are numerous documented instances of the USA doing it.

Again, how does the US being a worse dictatorship than China invalidate my decision to not use a Chinese brand phone?

Because it's irrational and based solely on some weird racist ideology.

Your point?

Your name can go on a terrorist list at any time. Hell you could have the same name as somebody on the terrorist list and you'll get nabbed.

If you are trying to say that, therefore, China is fine, well, that’s just whataboutism pure and simple.

My only point is that you are an insane person who for some reason convinced himself that China is out to get him.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Then you are completely delusional. If you say so.

Not even close. AFIK there are no documented instances of the Chinese government nabbing people overseas and there are numerous documented instances of the USA doing it. You really don't know what you're talking about.

Because it’s irrational and based solely on some weird racist ideology. No it isn't.

Your name can go on a terrorist list at any time. Hell you could have the same name as somebody on the terrorist list and you’ll get nabbed. Your point? How does this invalidate my decision not to use a Chinese phone?

My only point is that you are an insane person who for some reason convinced himself that China is out to get him. Lol, of course, I'm insane because I don't agree with you.

If you need to think I'm paranoid and racist to feel better about yourself, go right ahead. I couldn't care less.

[–] BalpeenHammer 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean you are and it has nothing to do with me.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago

You are welcome to your opinion, it's a free country after all.