Off-topic.

Whether or not you can pass an exam barely means anything IRL

"AI is the asbestos we are shovelling into the walls of our society, and our descendants will be digging it out for generations." - Cory Doctorow,

Goodluck arguing this with the AI bros

"dude I have an agent of workflow that goes through the entire codebase. the agent is the expert and I am guiding it"

alright man you have fun with that

And the post is written with fucking AI lmao

Vibe coding at work lets you slack off and then secure your job when shit inevitably hits the fan and you have to untangle the mess. Seems like a win-win to me, assuming you know how to program to do the untangling part. The only bad part is not having any satisfaction in doing the job, but there was enough corporate bullshit in place all along to ensure that regardless.

Verify everything. Audit before production.

Yeah, the move fast and break things industry already didn’t do that before AI

I agree with everything except for vibe coding feeling great.

Am I the only one who gets incredibly anxious relying on AI to code? I still ask it for code when I really just want to move on from a problem but it always feels like voluntarily putting mold in my floorboards.

having ai do your homework for you is not a flex

This is kind of like the "you won't have a calculator with you all the time" argument by your 8th grade math teacher in 2003, except instead of making yourself dependent on a little solar powered device (that you could have with you all the time if you really wanted to, even before smartphones) you're becoming dependent on a subscription service offered by a trillion dollar company that can increase the price tenfold at will, or cut you from the platform entirely, stripping you of all your professional expertise at once.

This is probably overly pessimistic/optimistic (depending on your outlook) in terms of timing. You won't forget how to code after 18 months of using AI to do it instead; if you decide to go cold turkey, or OpenAI turns the screws on pricing, or whatever, you'll be back in the swing of things in no time. The lesson from schools is that junior programmers who are learning now are not going to gain the same ability we did. (Besides that they're finding it difficult to get hired because the AI can do junior programming fairly OK, that is). So the problem won't be in 18 months; it'll be in a few years at least, from that point of view.

There's the separate question of architecture and code quality; by this point we've probably all seen the impenetrable morass that vibe coding leads to. That, I'm guessing, will cause problems much sooner.

The luddites had a point.

They weren’t opposed to technology, but the use of technology to remove skilled labor to produce inferior products.

Also, the pilot/autopilot argument is, kinda not applicable. The pilots aren’t just fucking around- autopilot systems only manage some aspects of flying, the pilots are still fully engaged.

I know that when i started using AI i got over blocks much faster. A system from design to implementation that use to take a week now only takes a few hours with most of that is testing and reviewing the code.

I don't use agents to test and review code btw because i still want to know what's going on but my colleagues are definitely using agents to build test large codebases. Im sorry but the truth is AI has changed how we build products in the same way intellisense and jet brains did but on a scale i haven't seen in my lifetime.

This isn't programmer humor... post to the right comm like fuck_ai@lemmy.world

Nice message, but why use the slop machine to write it? Use your own words!

when the original dev leaves and nobody understands the code

In my experience at work, no one cares about this. They assume the AI will be able to get there with enough tokens/time with the help of the human at the other end. They have done this and decided it was good enough.

Meanwhile, people like me who don't use AI coding agents and are PRing and modifying the code are having a hell of a time.

I have a hard time telling AI authored LinkedIn thought leadership apart from formulaic LinkedIn thought leadership sometimes, but this feels AI written, which makes it fairly amusing considering the point it's making.

(Does vibe coding feel incredible? Also, "Nobody’s asking what happens in Month 18 when the original dev has left and nobody understands the codebase" implies that the vibe coder original dev understood the codebase at any point, which isn't an argument I'd feel comfortable making for any of the ones I've worked with)