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I love how reporting things like this generates downvotes on the topic even though OP took the time to paste actual screenshots proving it to be true.
this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2024
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I downvoted it because it's not Onion-y as described in community rule 4:
would make people who see the headline think, “That has got to be a story from The Onion, America’s Finest News Source.”
I mean call me crazy but I feel like a minister from a country trying to justify why he doesn't see internationally recognized countries as actual countries is pretty Onion-y to me. The icing on top is that it's coming from a minister in a country known for illegally stealing land and re-defining their own borders against international law.
country doing more of what country has been doing
No, not particularly Onioney.
I get where you're coming from but if we follow that logic then majority of the posts on this community about Trump and his MAGA fanatics would be disqualified. Just because ridiculous is the norm for these people doesn't mean we stop calling it out.
tbf, Trump says a lot more random, off-the-wall shit than Israel does. Israel isn't very random, much more cold and calculated. Not very satire-like.
Israel isn’t very random, much more cold and calculated. Not very satire-like.
That's not what the purpose of this community though. The purpose is to have headlines that can pass as a satirical one from The Onion at first glance. To me this fits the definition.
If you say so. To me that requires an expectation that this would be unusual, something that would catch the eye as notable, instead of just being perfectly in-line with the norms of the time.
Don't normalize this kind of behavior and accept it. You're just asking to be gaslit and enables them to be more bold in their next statements. It's not a coincidence this statement came out just as Israel launches the deadliest attack on Lebanon in 15 years and telling the inhabitants to move out or face death. Ridicule and shame them for every outlandish statement they preach. Every. Single. One.
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That is fair, although if you read some of the newest Onion articles it definitely sounds like them.
It's pretty close to that.
I mean I'd believe you if you told me it's satire.
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Welp, regardless of the very real issues in these countries, this is exactly the kind of rhetoric that precedes an invasion, as it did when Putin started publicly questioning Ukraine’s status as a country. This helps cement my assessment that Israel is going to go for a larger land grab with the pretext of building a buffer zone for the protection of its citizens.
Israel be going down down to nazi town really quick. You know what they say, you either die a hero...
still going? i thought they made it when they started spouting blood and soil, 14 words, "Gaza animals", etc...
I dont know when they were a hero. The IDF was designated terrorist organization from the start.
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Reminds me of something.
I always say it's wild when politician says “Jew has the right to a jewish state” coming from countries that work hard to separate church from state, and the country behave exactly as ISIS.
There is a lot to critizize abt israel, but to say it "behave[s] exactly as ISIS" is just disengenous.
What’s that. Serious question
ISIS map, edited by them from a screenshot of the game Victoria 2.
Thank you
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lol in their dreams fr
He's technically correct according to some schools of international politics.
But he's saying this to casually connect Iran to a declaration of war on Israel. In all that blab he casually infers Hezbollah is an Iranian military unit and it declared war on October 8th. Which creates the question of a casus belli against Iran.
This is a propaganda technique where stuff like this is mentioned in passing by a bunch of different people. Our full attention is on the idea that he's delegitimizing the surrounding countries. But that other bit slips past and if we hear something over and over without questioning it we can actually internalize it.
So that's kind of scary to think about.
They're not going to stop land grabbing...
As long as they think America has their back. They'll keep going.
And Biden has spent over 50 years saying he'll always support them no matter what.
That geriatric old fuck needs out of office now. We can't wait for January and he's clearly lost all his marbles or he'd be the candidate.
There is real life shit going on and Biden has shown time and time again. He's just not capable of handling it
I mean it is the same with Putin, saying Ukraine is not a real country, he is not going to stop at Ukraine. Something similar might happen in Armenia too, things are becoming ugly.
Biden is stuck with what life was like 70 years ago. Russia was the bad guys then so he treats them as the bad guys now at least.
But he's gone on record saying his support of Israel is due to a promise he made his dad when he was six years old.
He's just flat out not looking at things logically, it's a joke that we're still pretending he's capable of running the country when he's obviously not
I am honestly not sure if it is Biden's decision after I saw how cooked his brains were. More likely he just read whatever his party/vice president decided.
Do you honestly think the people running for office are capable of “handling” this any differently?
Sad part is Kamala or Trump won’t stop supporting Israel either.
Americans need to vote 3rd party but they never will do it.
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Does Israel really have a monopoly on power? Don't they have huge numbers of settler militia types out there attacking Palestinians and driving them from their lands?
It is the US that has the military power. Israel has already tried going into Lebanon before and failed, so I think if they do it they must be pretty confident that America will come to their aid.
They really really want to draw the US and Iran into it.
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The eventual outcome of the slippery slope that comes from justifying colonial interests that were legitimized in cooperation with the Nazis under the Haavara Agreement under the vise of religion.
Like Putin sais about soviet countries!? good to know israel is not the bad guy s/
Not really onion-y.
Lebanon literally has a foreign paramilitary group with considerabily political power controlling part of it's territory, so they are arguable not a fully sovereign state. And in the end statehood is not a clear definied concept and what really matter is recognition from other states. A state not recognition another for poltical reasons is not really something strange or absurd. That's pretty much the norm.
It is not the norm, it is becoming the norm. Nothing to shrug about, it is quite dystopian.
And how is Hezbollah not a local military? As far as I know, they have existed before the Iranian revolution.
It is not the norm, it is becoming the norm.
How so? This was much more common in the past. It's become much less of the norm since we have international instituations like the UN.
Nothing to shrug about, it is quite distopian.
right, but this isn't !aboringdystopia@lemmy.world. And I don't think it's onion-y.
And how is Hezbollah not a local military? As far as I know, they have existed before the Iranian revolution.
They are funded by and acting in the interest of Iran. But it wouldn't really change anything if they were local. It still means the government is only partially in control of the country.
How so? This was much more common in the past. It’s become much less of the norm since we have international instituations like the UN.
So it's not the norm, it is becoming the norm. you answered it yourself.
right, but this isn’t !aboringdystopia@lemmy.world. And I don’t think it’s onion-y.
My comment is not the post, the post is onion-y
They are funded by and acting in the interest of Iran. But it wouldn’t really change anything if they were local. It still means the government is only partially in control of the country.
This makes no sense.
Can't belive i had to scroll to the bottom to find this.
Nothing he said is actually wrong, just missed that recognition is also a big part of it.
I think US oil interests might have a thing or two to say about declaring Iraq not a country.
The US could be in a leopards ate my face situation if Israel pursues that line of thought into taking destructive military actions in Iraq.
I think US oil interests might have a thing or two to say about declaring Iraq not a country.
More specifically, the US interest in the Suez Canal. This critical piece of intercontinental infrastructure must be secured in order to efficiently transport material within the Mediterranean Ocean and out to the Atlantic. Also a BFD if you're moving military hardware through the region (like aircraft carriers).
Israel is a gun pointed at the neighboring states, intended to keep them in line. But if that gun keeps going off randomly, it no longer serves as a meaningful deterrent.
Nationalist Narcissism begins.
They are just declaring their neighbors illegitimate and marching in like Putin.
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