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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 217 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Be Polish. Live at the crossroads of three major continental zones. Incorporates traditions from Arabic, Latin, and Nordic languages into a unique synthesis. Everybody hates it. Nobody wants to speak it.

Be English. Live at the ass end of nowhere, and become a haven for vagrants, dissidents, pirates, and exiles. Incorporate traditions from Latin, Germanic, and Frankish languages into a unique synthesis. Everyone hates it. Nobody wants to speak it. Become worlds most spoken language anyway.

Moral of the story. People will have to learn your shitty incoherent language if you build a big enough navy.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

glances at who builds all the processors and hardware components

Time to start learning Chinese and/or Korean.

[–] SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

See, those are essentially the raw goods now. Finished goods are entertainment and the internet.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The French in the '90s had Daft Punk and the Minitel.

Après moi je dis ça je ne dis rien.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Où est passé du-coup?

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 8 points 1 week ago

How long until internet slang/lingo snowballs out of control and becomes an actual language? I mean, it's already constantly spawning words and a diverse enough environment.
I notice sometime I lack an optimal word to describe a concept IRL that an internet term would fit perfectly but would be cringe or meaningless unless the listener was also terminally online. There's also stealing terms from other languages that catch on, but that don't work offline(IE. Zeitgeist, pantsdrunk, kawaii) that get spread around enough to be generally know, even if a bit odd.

Yes, including brainrot. Especially brainrot. It's not all pleasant.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or have the most prestigious universities and most powerful companies.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hungarian and Finnish have entered the chat

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Lithuanian: Palaikyk mano alų.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

The orthography is OK. It spams ⟨z⟩ for the same reason why Romance and Germanic languages spam ⟨h⟩ - too few letters, too many sounds, got to use digraphs.

The phonetic and phonemic part is like your typical European language. As in, "WE NEED A NEW SOUND! OTHERWISE WE CAN'T REPRESENT THE KITCHEN SINK DRIPPING!!!!"

The morphology is complicated, but the alternative is to make the syntax become a hellish mess. Like Mandarin or English. Language is complicated, no matter which one.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Just come up with new letters, Lithuanian has 9 (ą, ę, ė, į, ų, ū, č, š, ž) extra letters. If a small language can do it, so can English.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Germanic languages spam ⟨h⟩

? English? German has way less h. Ok, more ch, but that's for different reasons, same reasons as ck.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the alternative is to make the syntax become a hellish mess. Like Mandarin or English.

Now hang on just a second. English is fine. You just have to memorize or correctly guess the etymology of whatever word it is you're trying to spell/pronounce in order to get ... oh, okay, I think I see the problem now.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Ah, what you're saying is spelling. Syntax is word order, obligatory words, stuff like this. English syntax is a maze, or how programmers would call it, spaghetti code.

For example, here's how to ask a yes/no question in...

  • Latin - attach -ne after the relevant word. (Note: Latin has no word for "yes", but still has this sort of question.)
  • Spanish - why bother? Intonation is enough.
  • Polish - start the sentence with "czy".
  • German - shift the verb to the start of the sentence (first position).
  • English - if the verb belongs to a small list of exceptions, do it as in German. However most verbs refuse this movement to the first position, so for those you need to spawn a dummy support "do", then let it steal the conjugation from the leftmost verb, and then shift that "do" instead. Noting that semantic "do" also refuses the movement, so it still requires a support "do", yielding questions like "did you do this?"

Then there's the adjective order. In Latin for example it's just a "...near the noun? Whatever, just don't be ambiguous." Polish is probably like Latin in this. English though? Quantity or number, then quality or opinion, then size, then age, then shape, then colour, then material or place of origin, then purpose or qualifier, then the noun. And don't you dare to switch them - "your famous blue raincoat" is a-OK, but *"your blue famous raincoat" makes you sound like a maniac.

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[–] Klear@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the alternative is to make the syntax become a hellish mess

The alternative is Czech.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A Polish colleague of mine once accidentally picked Czech in an online work training exercise and then spent the next 30 minutes giggling to himself. I asked him afterwards what was up "Czech sounds like baby talk"

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So I've heard. The feeling is mutual, oddly enough.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Syntax is for nerds. I prefer a vibes based language.

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Bezwzględny Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz wyruszył ze Szczebrzeszyna przez Szymankowszczyznę do Pszczyny. I choć nieraz zalewała go żółć, niepomny następstw znalazł ostatecznie szczęście w źdźble trawy.

EDIT: copy/pasted from somewhere, this looks incredible to pronounce! The only polish word I know is kurwa, and Zubrowka.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 days ago

Like a cat dancing on a keyboard.

[–] coffee_whatever@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The only polish word I know is kurwa, and Zubrowka.

You're right, you know just one word in Polish, because it's Żubrówka you filthy peasant.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago
[–] MHanak@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It may look hard, but those are more of a spelling nightmare than pronounciation ones

Hard ones to pronounce are for example: "Chrząszcz brzmi w trzczcinie w szczebrzeszynie" or "stół z powyłamywanymi nogami"

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like we'd all be much more on board with this if Poland wasn't in the shadow of Hungary right next door looking like somebody's cat had a serious episode on top of a keyboard.

[–] Vikthor@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did Hungary annex Slovakia again or what?

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[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you ever seen transcribed Georgian?

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[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] harcesz@szmer.info 16 points 1 week ago

This is outrageous! I will call all users of our Polish instance "SZMER" to... OK, I might be getting your point.

[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (13 children)

It's not spelling, it's the grammar and ortography that would make you want to peel your skin off.

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[–] Jayb151@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Took 2 years of Polish at University. I spent more time on that one class than all my other classes combined... And I went to school for Education.

[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Po twojej pysznej zupie

Nie ruszam dupy z klopa

Ta zupa była z mlekiem;

Na mleko mam alergię

Po twojej pysznej zupie

Nie ruszam dupy z klopa

Ta zupa była z mlekiem;

Na mleko mam alergię

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[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I wonder if we had ž etc like Czechs would it make it easier for foreigners to read

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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