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Denuvo is tired of gamers saying its DRM is bad for games (www.gamesradar.com)
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""I think it's super hard for a gamer," Ullmann tells Rock Paper Shotgun. "I'm a gamer myself, and therefore I know what I'm talking about. I think it's super hard to see, as a gamer, what is the immediate benefit for me that a certain game developer, game publisher, is using our anti-piracy services." This gap, coupled with the fact that Denuvo "simply works" and "pirates cannot play games" which use it, as Ullmann puts it, are two main contributors to its negative reputation, he argues."

Let's not forget about being always-online or not being able to test different wine/Proton setups for fear of activating the DRM. Or even trying simply to run the game in some situations...

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 158 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

"I'm a gamer myself, and therefore I know what I'm talking about"

Should we call it a fallacious call to authority, meme on it for being a "how do you do, fellow gamers" moment, or simply mock the guy for whoring himself out in favor of daddy corporate? I could write an essay on the ways this is an absurd statement.

Gamers hate Denuvo because it doesn't "simply work". It limits paying customers from accessing their content, bogs down mid-range machines that are already overtaxxed by poor optimization and, in admittedly uncommon cases, full on breaks some games until patches and fixes roll out. Stop pretending that "gamers" are out here rioting because they're too cheap and immoral to pay for content. Quit your fuckin' lying.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 48 points 6 days ago

What's crazy is that it's more than that.

"I'm a gamer so I know what I'm talking about, that gamers know nothing about this topic."

The logic is very backwards.

[–] biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I thought this was an onion article.

[–] Astertheprince@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago

Think it would go over well at !nottheonion@lemmy.world, or do you think they'd reject it?

[–] FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

Spot on, bravo!

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[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 110 points 6 days ago

and we're tired of Denuvo lol

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 85 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well I'm a game dev myself and drm is bullshit. Denuvo can get fucked

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 15 points 5 days ago

Too bad you're not a gamer like Denuvonian Man, you'd know a thing or two about games.

[–] potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish 22 points 5 days ago

Denuvo and every employee there can suck my hairy, unshaven, sweaty, salty, moist, oily ball sack.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 42 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Gravity is tired of humans saying it causes things to fall down.

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[–] mister_newbie@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 days ago

Denuvo rhymes with "fuck you, no."

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 59 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm a gamer, therfore I know what I'm talking about. Denuvo is SHIT!

[–] sabo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

I'm a gamer too and I agree. Now there's two gamers saying that denuvo is crap vs one gamer. We got majority.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 82 points 6 days ago

Denuvo's DRM is bad for games.

DRM is shite by itself as well.

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago

Too bad. Denuvo sucks.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 50 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Its simple.

Pirates don't ruin games for other players.

Pirates ruin games for the dealers.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 days ago

Pirates mostly enhance games, in my experience

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

Not necessarily even that. Piracy can benefit the developer by increasing popularity. Piracy made Bill Gates a billionaire despite his fighting tooth and nails against it.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

And also for longevity of the games, I heard that one company (I don't remember the name) selling pirated version of their games for modern system because they can't get rid of DRM themselves

[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

Hm. I wonder why gamers say that.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Boohoo, Denuvo, cry me a fudging river!

[–] GrammarPolice@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 days ago (3 children)

fucking*

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 13 points 6 days ago

Ducking heck! 😄

[–] FuCensorship@lemmy.today 8 points 6 days ago

God damn right!

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 3 points 5 days ago

Fudging gremmar nazis

[–] kbal@fedia.io 44 points 6 days ago

Well, he's not wrong that it's "super hard" to see any benefit of Denuvo for anyone other than the beneficial owners of Denuvo Software Solutions. Gamers might have a better than average ability to suspend disbelief, but that "new study" was pushing it a bit far.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 42 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good luck trying to PR like this garbage is useful to the end user, you gonna need it.

[–] icerunner_origin@startrek.website 28 points 6 days ago

Let's not be too hasty to call it garbage when it could in fact turn out to be rancid dog shit.

[–] 100@fedia.io 35 points 6 days ago

only good thing about their drm its so expensive very few companies will pay a subscription to keep it active forever

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 6 days ago

Well, is because its true.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 30 points 6 days ago

How do you do, fellow gamers!

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Denuvo: I'm tired of this grandpa!

Everyone: THAT'S TOO DAMN BAD

[–] style99@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago

We should totally just go along with DRM, or they might decide to break other stuff. This is totally an innocent request, and far from attempted extortion.

/s

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well then just stop and we stop. Fuxk them, denuvogames won't be bought, glad steam is marking those games.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Denuvo Games Curator Gives a great and clear indicator so there's no way you could possibly buy one by accident, like the trolls keep trying to argue will happen.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This list is awesome. Unsurprisingly nearly every game has bad reviews.

They're not even for denuvo itself.

I wonder. Do the shitty shovelware games gravitate towards Denuvo? Or do they install denuvo as part of their enshittification process

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago

I figure they must think they can make their games sell better if they include it because it still hasn't occurred to these dumbasses that if your games suck people just won't buy them. Maybe its cope, after all you can't tap into a market of people who don't want your game (well I mean you can, but most companies don't consider scamming people), so they assume all the people not buying it are pirating it.

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

unless you buy a game that later adds denuvo, of course

[–] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Adding denuvo later wouldn't do any good, if a game launches without it it's going to get cracked instantly

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

Exactly, adding it later just means people can use the earlier versions. Some wiseasses may argue about missing content but that's a stupid argument since cracked games don't get updates to them either unless new cracks are published, and that doesn't happen as often as actual updates are published.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thankfully it doesn't happen very often and if a game is out for a long while it's a safe bet it very likely won't be added. If they do though that curator still helps because it makes it more visible on the store page, so you can give a negative review, block its updates, and downgrade to a previous version without it (whether that's officially through Steam's downgrade tools, or downloading it elsewhere depends on the circumstance). Or remove it from your account if you don't care about it anymore.

[–] mogranja@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Didn't steam allow refunds regardless of hours played for some game that did this recently?

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Not sure, I guess it would depend on the game, and whether or not it was badly affected enough by the update for Valve to consider it broken by the update.

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