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Biden making sure to take a massive shit on his legacy before setting it on fire. His 50 useless years in politics boiled down to his essential self: an empty suit doused in rancid cowardice
This is all very consistent with his legacy.
Here let me fix the headline for you:
US Senate ~~to vote~~ will vote no on Bernie Sanders-led effort to stop arms sales to Israel
There. That way people won't get the wrong impression, like that any of this fucking matters.
At least we'll get to see which Democratic members of the genocide caucus need primary challengers in the next election cycle. Supporting Netanyahu isn't going to get more popular as the genocide intensifies.
No we won't. I mean, you might, but no one pays attention to voting records anymore. If it even comes to a vote, no one's going to hold anyone's feet to the fire on how they vote on a bill doomed to go nowhere.
This. Is. Meaningless. I can't stress that enough.
If it's meaningless and no one will pay attention, there's no reason to object to doing it.
Well they rejected the bill. Did you really pay attention to who voted it down? Do you really care? Even if you go look it up, will it in any way change your actions moving forward? Will you vote any differently or support different candidates based on this?
Again, meaningless.
Ok. So why are you so angry about something meaningless?
Maybe I'm angry about meaningless things being done by our elected officials that are of no help to anyone. Like, if my house was burning down and the fire department showed up and the firefighters started spitting into the fire instead of using the hoses, I might also be a bit upset.
It's interesting when you have chosen to start being upset.
Even if they pass it, It's getting repealed right away in January. This is far too little too late.
Maybe... maybe not. Letting do what they want is in line with trump. But giving money away isn't. So you never know for sure. And isreal probably has enough things stockpiled anyway.
Oh I'm all for them doing it. I'm not trying to say not to do it. If nothing else it will probably bring a lot of Arab Americans back to the Democrats. I'm just bitter because if they had told AIPAC where to go and passed it months ago then I'm pretty sure we'd have at least one swing state. And showing any kind of fire, instead of, "Things will remain the same because we don't see anything wrong with the direction of the country!", would probably have brought more people to the polls in every swing state. I can't guarantee it would have turned into a win, but it wouldn't have been a fucking rout.
Yep. The Trump victory means any attempt whatsoever to hold Netanyahu back is completely meaningless.
I mean they had 4 years
And now Trump has four years in which they'll start doing to the West Bank what they're doing to Gaza, and Trump will also support Russia and abandon Ukraine because he has a hardon for Putin. Trans folk will be locked up for pedophilia and pedophiles will get pardoned. Leftists will be locked up what's left of press freedom and women's rights will be abolished tariffs will push up prices and the fossil fuel industry that started the world inflation project will get free government money. But I have the feeling you're going to want to tell me more about how Harris has all the same policies as Trump or something.
It’s not going to be just four years. This is going to get real ugly real fast.
Never forget the blame for trump ever becoming president in the first place was the DNC let Hillary take over while the primaries were still happening in 2015.
Her campaign literally had approval for anything the DNC said or did.
Shoving neo liberals down America's throats is just letting Republicans win. But the people running the party care more about keeping wealthy donors happy than winning elections.
We can't keep going down this path.
He filled stadiums with his message, she couldn't fill half a highscool gym. It's time for a new party on the actual left.
What's wrong with the Socialism and Liberation Party?
We don't need a new party.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC.
We're the party of FDR, not billionaires and fossil fuel corporations.
If the goal is to remove and replace all party leadership, non-compliant party members, and administrative staff, why not just make a new party? Are you just really attached to the name on your ship of Theseus?
Changing a party from the inside when its leadership is Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton is a tough ask. When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate. Including the 'progressives'.
is it really that hard to change? I think if push came to shove, both of them would fall over, they're octogenarians.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC
And how do you suggest we do that?
Stadiums don't vote. The last few weeks before the election there were several posts on lemmy about big crowds attending Haris events while Trump struggled to fill venues and bored his attendees. We now now how that turned out...
Not a US citizen here, are these open votes? Can we see what portion of democrats voted yes and no etc
Yes, you can actually see the disappointing number of so-called liberals who make a mockery of the concepts of humanitarianism, anti-racism and the rule of law.
Not if they call a voice vote. However, standard Roberts Rules says that anybody can object to the results of the voice vote and then it goes to actually recording things. Voice votes are meant to move things along when it's obvious a vast majority are in favor, not hide who is trying to pull something.